In the Air Force special ops, my friend Andy Kubik was the best of the best, a true American hero. As much as any one man, he was responsible for breaking the Taliban’s control of Afghanistan. But now, back at home, he’s fighting just to stay sane.
By Matthew Teague
We should have seen the demons in Andy about the time he pulled out his night-vision monocular and crawled under my house. Instead we just stood around in the dark.
That was seven years ago. Andy Kubik had recently returned from Iraq and dropped by for lunch because a mutual friend thought we might get along. Stationed at an Air Force base nearby, he rumbled into my small Alabama town on an enormous black Harley, like Thor returning from war. Even before everything that followed, even before the cracks started to show, Andy seemed like a man formed from two conflicting types of clay: the heroic and the vulnerable. The godlike and the human. He removed his helmet and goggles, revealing his curled blond hair, and transformed into something smaller and quieter, apologizing for the noise before he dismounted.
After lunch that day, Andy spent three nights on our sofa, which spooked my wife. Relax, I told her. This guy’s a war hero. One of the greatest alive, maybe.
Andy worked for the Air Force as a sort of supersoldier. He had fought in covert operations and killed bad men in scores, and according to the Air Force itself, Andy’s actions in Afghanistan — his personal actions — “were overwhelmingly responsible for breaking the back of Taliban resistance.” So if the guy needed to crash, he could certainly use our couch.
I pestered him for details about his life overseas — had he worked alone? in a team? — but Andy showed far more interest in the mundane details of our lives. The make of our daughter’s crib, the maddening sound of a stray cat mewing under the house, the history of our little town. “My wife would love this,” he said one day, sitting in the kitchen. I hadn’t known he was married.
Conversation drifted with Andy. From backpacks to foreign policy to photography. Books, movies. “My son loves that one,” he said. I hadn’t realized he had a son.
“You may be wondering about this scar on my face,” he said one afternoon. We hadn’t noticed, we said. “Right here,” he said, touching the left corner of his mouth, where his lips met with a certain indistinctness, as though someone had erased and redrawn the line. “It’s no big deal,” he said.
One day Andy pulled out a small rucksack. “I want to show you something,” he said.
He dug around for a moment, then found photos from Afghanistan, shots of the dozen or so Special Forces and British SAS operators who made up his team. He talked a bit about what happened there, mostly funny stories about surviving Afghan food. I remember the watchful way he laughed; he never closed his eyes or looked away.
Later, after dark, Andy and I sat on the porch, and he showed me his night-vision monocular and something he called an infrared pointer. I hadn’t realized the military let people carry these things around back home in America. While my neighbors slept, Andy’s laser danced over their roofs.
Beneath the house the stray cat wailed. I hissed something about waking the baby and threw a lump of grass into the dark crawl space. Andy frowned and flicked on the monocular.
I remember how funny that seemed at the time. How cool. The warrior, the thunder god, stooping to combat a stray cat after enduring years of real war.
Soon enough, though, we’d see that the war wasn’t done with Andy.
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A few months after his first visit, Andy showed up at our house again. “I want you to hold on to something for me,” he said. He would soon leave the Air Force, he said, and head to West Virginia. He had a plan but wouldn’t elaborate. I understood; being Andy’s friend meant accepting redacted conversations. He lived in a classified world.
He hauled out an opaque plastic box, about the size of a suitcase. “I’ll send for it later,” he said, “but I know you’ll keep it safe.”
Sure, Andy, I said. I’ll keep it safe.
Later that night I lay awake and wondered: What on Earth is in that box?
—-
To understand Andy — to understand what comes later — you’ve got to first understand what he did.
During wartime, when the U.S. secretary of defense goes before the American people and wants to present a clear idea of our supremacy, of our precision, of our ability to project power from the West onto our enemies abroad, he’ll sometimes show a video clip. It’s usually taken from a plane or unmanned drone and shows a missile hitting some impossibly small target. A moving car, maybe. A rooftop chimney. Some Taliban fighter riding his horse through a mountain pass.
What you don’t see in those videos is the real conductor of the action. There’s often a man hidden across the street or on the mountainside, tracking the car or chimney or horse with an infrared pointer — kind of a high-tech version of a laser pen — to help guide the missile. He’s called a combat controller, and his job in the Air Force is to link the cleanness and geometry of the sky with the bloodiness and disorder on the ground. It’s his job to parachute, sprint, spy, shoot, evade capture, and dodge bombs, all while running a stream of mathematic calculations in his mind and maintaining an even tone of voice over his radio. It may be the most nerve-racking, dangerous job in the world. And Andy Kubik excelled at it.
His first true test came in May 1999. At the time NATO forces were seeking to end Serbian aggression toward Albanians in Kosovo. One night an American pilot was flying his F-16 over Serbia to bomb a missile installation when an enemy missile exploded near the plane and sent it spiraling down into hostile territory. The pilot parachuted out, scrambled into the brush, and called in his dire situation: Serbian forces were searching for him, and they had dogs. Back across the border in Bosnia, Andy and his small rescue team piled into three helicopters and launched toward the downed pilot, flying without lights, using night-vision equipment. Soon after liftoff three surface-to-air missiles corkscrewed past the nose of the chopper, like “flaming telephone poles,” Andy said. As the team crested a ridge, they passed over a dark village that suddenly awoke with muzzle flashes. The helicopter that Andy was in swung and rolled to avoid the fire, with Andy kneeling at the open door as bullets thunked into the bottom and sides of the craft.
The helicopter touched down in a clearing, and the F-16 pilot burst out of his hiding place in the tree line and sprinted toward it. As Andy leaped out, enemy gunfire erupted, and Serbian soldiers — closer than the Americans had realized — swarmed the site. The rescue team, bristling with assault weapons and adrenaline, heaved the pilot onto the chopper’s floor. As they lifted off again, Andy and two other soldiers lay across the jet pilot to shield him from incoming bullets. An hour later the helicopter reached the Bosnian border just as the sun rose, and warmth splashed in through the open doors.
It was the sort of harrowing, high-speed mission that most normal soldiers rarely face. But for Andy it was only a prelude.
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He grew up in Harbor Beach, a small town at theedge of Lake Huron in Michigan, and he navigated a hazardous childhood. At four years old, he climbed behind the family sofa without anyone noticing. He pulled an extension cord from a lamp, put the plug into his mouth, and bit down. The plug blew a hole through the side of his face; you could see his teeth through his cheek. Later he would wonder whether the shock had electrified his brain as well.
He started kindergarten as the boy with the burn on his face. A prominent scar remained for years, through some of early life’s already difficult moments — playground negotiations, meeting girls, class pictures — until he had his final surgery at 14, which reduced the mark to a thin line near his mouth.
“He was self-conscious about it,” his mother, Kathleen, told me later. “I think especially around girls.”
For a while after the electrical-cord accident, Andy’s childhood passed in the typical way. He played sports, but not particularly well. He earned average grades. He played with his friend Gautam and Gautam’s little brother, Vivek, who lived across the creek that ran through their neighborhood. They were his sworn brothers, and he even traveled with their family on a trip to the father’s native India. They, along with Andy’s younger brother and sister, became inseparable and ruled their neighborhood from a secret underground fort.
One day in September 1986, when Andy was 13, heavy rain turned the creek into a raging river, and the makeshift bridge was uncrossable. The children walked farther down to the mouth of the creek, which emptied into Lake Huron, and Andy waded into the water to cross it. The heaviness of the current surprised him, and he rode it like a waterslide, laughing. The other children followed, and soon the current swept three of them — Andy, Vivek, and Gautam — into the cold Huron.
They swam against the flow, treading with thin legs, but it swirled away from the shore and separated the boys. Gautam and Vivek both cried out for help from their bigger friend — “Andy!” they called — and he paddled between them as all three drifted into deeper water. Neighbors on the distant shore heard their screams and shoved a rowboat into the water. A siren wailed somewhere in town. The swollen creek spewed milk jugs and driftwood and litter, and amid the trash the boys rode the current toward the lake’s uninterrupted horizon.
Andy and Gautam were strong enough to keep their faces above the water as the rescue boat approached. But eight-year-old Vivek slipped under several times, and then one last time as Andy reached for him in vain. By the time the boat pulled Andy and Gautam from the water, Vivek had disappeared. For the next several hours, Andy stood on the shore wrapped in a blanket as rescue workers continued to search. Then he watched as a man walked up from the waterline with Vivek’s small and lifeless body draped across his arms, and no matter what the adults around him said, Andy knew better: I did this.
In the years that followed, he became fascinated with codes of power and protection. He took a keen interest in the loyalties of Mafia families and Japanese Bushido, and then, as he got older, the brotherhood of modern small special ops military teams. At 18 he joined the Air Force and tried out for the arduous, specialized combat controller program. There are only 400 combat controllers in all the Air Force, and they employ every skill from HALO (high-altitude, low-opening) parachuting to underwater sabotage. They are among the most expensive soldiers produced by the American military.
At the bottom of an Olympic-size pool at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas, Andy Kubik found what he needed. As he and other hopeful candidates tried to crawl across the pool’s floor, instructors called “sharks” held them down, punched their kidneys, cut free their weight belts, and dared them to drown. An instructor ripped off Andy’s face mask and chopped his neck so that Andy’s breath billowed around his face, escaping to the surface. Blinded and stunned, he lay still on the bottom. As other candidates gave up to instinct and surfaced, Andy relented to the sensation of drowning. The perfect penance of the moment approached: So, Viv, this is what it felt like.
Eventually the instructor released him, and Andy crawled with his fingertips toward the opposite wall. He emerged from the water reborn, with a new set of sworn brothers and a lifelong pain now hardened into loyalty.
—-
One day in late 2003, not long before he left the Air Force, Andy invited me into a restricted area on Hurlburt Field in Florida, where his elite squad lived.
He introduced me to his colleagues — including one man who has asked to be identified only as “Y,” and whose significance would later become clear — and showed off his team’s astonishing array of weaponry and technology. It all looked so impressive that I laughed when I saw several miniature black off-road motorcycles parked around the staging area. They looked like toys. Then Andy told me their purpose: He and his teammates would strap parachutes onto them, push them out of airplanes at sometimes high altitude, then jump after them. On the desert floor the men would ditch their jump gear, mount the small bikes, and ride into the mountains.
Over the next two days, I would get a glimpse of who Andy really was. That first night his team joined a visiting group of foreign soldiers for the special ops version of an international trade conference. They all loaded into two Pave Low search-and-rescue helicopters, an AC-130 gunship, and a couple of trucks, then charged over the countryside toward an abandoned building. Once there they rappelled from the hovering helicopters, charged into the structure, and rescued a mock captured soldier. The team sprayed bullets — live ones, not blanks — as they stormed in darkness onto the roof, where invisible helicopters descended and cut the air into buffeting layers. I scrambled to keep up; Andy handed me his night-vision goggles, and for a moment I saw a rarefied world of activity: aircraft, weapons, soldiers, all waging war in an artificial daylight.
The next night in Florida, the soldiers withdrew to a nearby hotel, where they had reserved a block of rooms. Andy waved me toward an empty one, where someone had set up a mobile video monitor. “Wanted you to see this,” he said. He cued a video, then left the room. On the screen a scene flickered into view: a man, alone and facing the camera, inside a wind-whipped tent somewhere near Afghanistan. The man wore a long beard over hollow cheeks, and his eyes burned like cave fires, deep in their sockets. I looked more closely: Andy?
A sharp voice from outside the frame announced that the following was an intelligence debriefing. The questioner then hustled Andy through an account of recent clashes with Al Qaeda. Something significant had happened, but the acronyms and obscurities piled up so fast I couldn’t keep pace. They talked about technology, largely, and cooperation between the military and the “OGA” — Other Government Agency, as the CIA was sometimes called in Afghanistan.
The video stopped and I sat, bewildered. I hardly recognized the man on the screen. The Andy I knew was amiably distracted, always drifting, sometimes rambling. The Andy onscreen — the bearded, wolfish one — was as bright and focused as the infrared pointer in his rucksack. What exactly had happened over there?
—-
One morning in 2001, Andy awoke at his home in Florida to a thought fully formed: “The 15th anniversary of Vivek’s death.”
He climbed to his feet and made his bed. “Same memories, every September 11.”
He made a cup of coffee and turned on his television, where he saw the horror of the day unfold. The second plane’s appearance heralded, even in the instant between impact and fireball, Andy’s new covert mission.
He and his wife, Tina, immediately geared up for rapid deployment. She worked for the Air Force as a kind of advance procurement officer, heading out with a teammate and a suitcase full of cash to set up an overseas launch site for men like Andy. Within a few days, she would enter an electronics store in Oman and announce, “I need to buy your batteries. All of them.”
As the Twin Towers smoldered on the family’s television, Tina packed her bags. The day she left, Andy turned to see their five-year-old son, Travis, standing at the hallway door. He had gone to his bedroom and put on an army helmet and backpack, and in his hand he held a small American flag.
Andy snapped a photo, a single frame that captured all that would propel him through the next few years. He waved goodbye to Tina, and her parents picked up Travis for safekeeping. Andy retreated alone into the house, sank to the floor, and wept.
Two months later Andy hit the ground in southern Afghanistan near the Pakistani border, attached to a 12-man Special Forces team called Texas 17. A helicopter dropped the soldiers into the mountains where they linked with three CIA officers, took account of themselves, and realized the challenge before them. They faced what was surely the hardest job in the world: to approach and take the city of Kandahar, the Taliban’s stronghold where Al Qaeda now massed. Unlike in the north, where the indigenous Northern Alliance had battled the Taliban for years, in the south the team would have to create a fighting force from scratch as they ran full tilt toward their target. Along the way they would escort and protect Afghan warlord Gul Agha Sherzai.
Meanwhile Andy’s counterpart — the man I have to call “Y” — entered Afghanistan with a team named Texas 12 on the northern side of Kandahar. Their job was to escort exiled leader Hamid Karzai, already identified by the U.S. as a key potential ally, into the city.
According to the plan, the two teams would converge on Kandahar, Andy’s from the southeast and Y’s from the north, and oust Osama bin Laden and the Taliban’s one-eyed supreme leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar. Then they would install Sherzai as governor of Kandahar and pave the way for Karzai to become president of Afghanistan.
On its first day in country, Texas 17 set out across the desert for Kandahar, stopping in small villages along the way to pick up any sympathetic young men to gather an ad hoc army. The night and second day passed the same way, as the team assembled a sort of rolling circus: a hundred or so pickup trucks, motorcycles, tractors, and Central Asian “jingle trucks” decorated with bells, mirrors, and rugs. The Special Forces captain formed the impromptu troops into a V-shaped convoy so they could race across the desert without suffocating on dust.
But the Americans faced two larger problems: how to arm the group and how to secure Sherzai’s trust. A cache of weapons falling from the sky would do both. On the team’s fourth night in the field, Andy helped arrange an air drop into a hidden, narrow valley secured on three sides by a horseshoe of steep mountains. As the team prepared for the drop, one of their Afghan fighters approached with a finger to his lips and whispered, “Taliban.” A crowd of Afghans parted, and Andy saw three men tied together and sitting on the ground. He and the captain quickly reeled back, not wanting to be seen. But one Taliban man looked up and made eye contact; he wore black makeup smeared under each eye, and Andy felt a powerful sense of foreboding.
At the same time, an F-16 pilot radioed something about a nine-vehicle convoy quickly approaching. Before the team could make sense of all this, the mountains around them erupted with gunfire from the convoy. Mullah Omar’s forces had set an ambush. Bullets and rocket-propelled grenades poured onto the valley floor as Andy leaped into the backseat of a truck, calling for air support and swiftly realizing that the batteries had died in his radio. He couldn’t get word out.
The valley was too narrow to turn around in, so the trucks shifted into reverse as .51-caliber anti-aircraft fire rained down in sheets. Their only hope of getting out alive depended on quickly summoning air support to take out the enemy on the ridge. With no time to replace the batteries and call in coordinates for a bombing run, Andy reached for his flare gun and fired a signal light out of the truck and onto the mountaintop. The F-16 streaked past, and seconds later a cluster bomb frothed the summit. The military designates such strikes as “danger close”: so close that troops risk death by friendly fire. Even the pro-American Afghans screamed, crying out to Andy for mercy, because they had never seen nor felt such power, so near and so almighty.
Eventually the mountains fell quiet, but another F-16 pilot warned that a second convoy was approaching from the north, and this one numbered 35 vehicles. Andy grabbed his infrared pointer and night-vision scope, and with an Afghan lieutenant, he climbed the mountain they had just scorched. By then the vehicles had arrived and started turning out their headlights to blend into the night. “They’ve joined your convoy,” the pilot said.
For another two hours, Andy stayed hidden on the mountaintop, passing his goggles to the Afghan leader so he could identify the unknown vehicles and men, then paint them with his infrared pointer until bombs arrived to blow them apart. He killed scores that night.
At daybreak Texas 17 pushed onward to Kandahar. Adrenaline coursed through Andy’s veins and bathed his brain. He stayed awake, fighting without rest, for the next four days.
—-
As Texas 17 fought their way to the city from the south, Y and his team to the north, Texas 12, suffered a disastrous mistake. A member of Y’s group programmed his GPS unit with coordinates for a bomb strike. After Y turned in for a few hours’ sleep, the teammate replaced the GPS’s battery as a matter of caution. He didn’t know that when the GPS shuts down, it automatically resets to new coordinates: its current location. So when he turned it on and called in bombs that morning, he called for an attack on Texas 12’s own position. Eight people, including three Americans, died in the blast. They were the first three American soldiers killed in Afghanistan.
Hamid Karzai survived after being knocked unconscious, and Y was injured badly enough that he had to be evacuated.
Andy’s subsequent advancement on Kandahar — clearing the way for both the city’s governor and Afghanistan’s future president — required a shocking sort of courage. His tiny team took Tarnak Farms, the Al Qaeda training ground featured in the group’s propaganda videos and where it’s believed September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta recorded his final testament. The team sacked Kandahar, drove Mullah Omar from his palace, and cleared the airport so that American forces could establish a base there in coming days. On top of the airport control tower, a member of the unit dipped a broom in black paint and wrote texas 17 to mark that they’d been there — an inside joke for special ops colleagues back home, who would later watch hundreds of soldiers “take” the airport on television.
“More than 200 Marines have set up a forward base, known as Texas 17, at the airport,” a British newspaper later relayed, misunderstanding the signal, “which was the scene of the last stand in Kandahar of the foreign Taliban fighters believed to be loyal to Osama bin Laden.”
The world never learned what had really happened — the bravery of Andy and his small team in seizing the key city — but quietly, a couple of years later in a hangar in Florida, then Secretary of the Air Force James Roche awarded Andy with the Silver Star and described his actions as being responsible for breaking the Taliban. And he had done it all without suffering any apparent injury.
andy’s first encounter with his demons came in late 2003. He’d returned from war and found that while home seemed the same, he had changed.
He rode entire nights on his motorcycle, 16 hours at a time, and found that only by keeping the throttle wide open could he stay focused on the present moment and stave off the onslaught of memories. His family crumbled around him — the strain of military life and Andy’s darkened mind-set had driven Tina to move out and take Travis with her — and Andy flung himself ever faster through the night. In a library in Baghdad, Andy had come across a book by T.E. Lawrence and felt an immediate kinship. Lawrence himself killed many men during the First World War and later died with his motorcycle’s throttle wide open. “In speed we hurl ourselves beyond the body. Our bodies cannot scale the heavens except in a fume of petrol,” Lawrence wrote. “Bones, blood, flesh, all pressed inward together.”
Andy drew his last Air Force paycheck in January 2004, but he had no desire to settle down and get a regular job. Some of his colleagues had joined the CIA, but the agency initially rebuffed Andy. In a bid to make himself more attractive, he decided to enter a master’s program in national security at Georgetown University. But first he needed to finish his bachelor’s degree, and at school in West Virginia he saw a young Middle Eastern couple. She was Iranian, he was Pakistani, and Andy became convinced they were watching him. “I saw them sweep me,” he told me. “I was like, ‘Fuck. They’re in West Virginia.’ ”
The two halves of Andy’s brain wrestled for control, teetering toward insanity and back again. “I gotta live with these people,” he said, laughing at his own paranoia. “I can’t just become a white supremacist.” But then something would tilt his mind again. At school one day, he spotted two teenagers breaking into his car. He felt sure they had stolen the paper he’d been working on that spelled out how to improve international joint special operations. In Andy’s mind, they hadn’t simply broken into his car; they were agents who had violated national security. He gave chase but the kids split up, and the one he nabbed was empty-handed.
Over the next couple of years, Andy spiraled out of control. He flunked out of school in 2004. His divorce became finalized shortly after that. He picked up jobs in landscaping and construction but was fired from both. And in December 2004 he was hospitalized for the first time, for a month, because of his deteriorating mental state.
Andy had developed an obsession with the CIA. He felt his experience in Afghanistan had given him invaluable insight — inexpressible, secret “solutions” — that the CIA needed to implement. Solutions that would give the West an advantage against terrorists everywhere. He mixed real and imaginary, practical and abstract, to create nonsensical theories that baffled his relatives and friends. Most of us think of military intelligence as a collection of information, but Andy had used it as a dirt-covered, hands-on tool. He had seen the miscommunications, the interagency misfires, the wasted opportunities, and from that he spun new ways to kill bad guys — everything from agency hierarchy to helicopter attack formations to filing a patent for a body-mounted remote-controlled spy drone.
He called one day in the summer of 2007. “Do you remember us talking about the OGA?” he asked.
I did.
“Well,” he said, “you’re sending me signals about that, right?”
I stood on the front porch in my socks and wondered what to say.
“Like, guiding me,” he said. “Right?”
For years now I had guarded Andy’s mysterious box. I had dragged it from house to house, from state to state, every time we moved. Finally I decided to look in it. It held the tailings of a life now falling apart: a layer of sand from Afghanistan. Various Arabic headdresses. Several sheets of Mullah Omar’s personal stationery, which Andy had grabbed after overrunning his palace in Kandahar. A photo Andy’s wife had given him to carry of her in lingerie. Drawings Travis had sent. And two little leather cases that held his now forgotten Bronze Star for bravery in Serbia and his Silver Star for “gallantry and devotion to duty” in Afghanistan.
No, I said, I wasn’t sending any signals.
“Cool,” he said. “Just wondering.”
Then he said goodbye.
—-
One day a few years ago, he traveled to Ohio to watch his son play hockey. At the time Tina still allowed Andy to spend time alone with the boy.
The day of the first game, Andy and Travis sat together eating lunch, and Andy felt a growing sense that someone planned to assassinate Travis. “Give me your hamburger,” he said, shoving his club sandwich across the table. “You eat mine.”
At a game the next day, Andy noticed the local newspaper photographer on the arena floor. Sure that the man was surveilling Travis, Andy snatched his camera cleanly and hid it in a locker room. Someone called the police, and as they arrived Andy tried to escape. In the process he broke a window and slugged an officer. The police shot him with a Taser and found a weapon of sorts hidden under his jacket: At the hotel where he was staying, he had taken a corded phone from the wall — something he could swing like a medieval flail — and wrapped it around his waist.
Andy would land in jail two times over the next few years for incidents stemming from his paranoia. His training made him dangerous. One time, for instance, his guards discovered he had covertly mapped the jail and stashed a pen in his cell as a weapon.
Several times Andy ended up in hospitals, where doctors tried round after round of medicines in vain. His hypervigilance and paranoia were “horrific, frustrating, fearful, helpless,” according to his mother. “The inability to go into his world and bring him out… To see the anger in his eyes or, at times, the blank stare.”
The only thing that seemed to work, Andy discovered, was cough syrup with dextromethorphan. It disgusted him, and the taste sometimes made him vomit. But Afghanistan had exploded his psyche like a fragmentation grenade, and cough syrup, he told me at one point, “slows everything down and defrags my memories.”
In the span of an hour or two, he once drank three full bottles.
—-
In February 2009, Andy launched one final mission.
Dearborn, Michigan, just outside Detroit, is home to one of America’s largest Arab communities, and Andy decided to travel there and advise the authorities on his solutions. He envisioned coordinating and building a super-intelligence unit headquartered in the suburb — among America’s Muslims, instead of its politicians and lobbyists — with no other purpose than to hunt Al Qaeda.
Before he deployed, he met his mother at a small restaurant. At first he refused to speak aloud, and instead passed her a note that said simply, SIXTEEN AGENCIES. DEARBORN. And she knew, as she watched him walk away, that her son might not survive this time.
Later, driving back to his apartment in Ohio, Andy felt sure someone was following him. He took an evasive route. Inside his apartment something seemed amiss. Jazz music leaked from his radio. Someone has been here.
He stuffed cash and clothes into a rucksack and fled to a friend’s house. A solid guy, a retired Air Force guy, who could give him a place to hide out. But there was no one home, so Andy slipped through the open back door and waited in the living room. Then he heard it again: jazz music, from the same radio station. Dear God.
Andy stole his friend’s old Mercury station wagon and launched toward Michigan. He stashed the car at the Detroit Metro Airport, in the short-term parking lot, and hailed a taxi to take him into downtown Detroit. He eyed the driver when he pulled into a substance-abuse clinic in suburban Franklin instead, possibly sensing Andy’s troubles. This made Andy even more paranoid: What does this driver know? Where is he from? Andy threw a hundred-dollar bill over the seat and walked into the clinic, to appease the watchful taxi driver. He grabbed the clinic’s phone and dialed 1-800-FUCK-OFF.
Did these people really think they could corner him so easily?
He slipped out of the clinic and ditched his rucksack in a trash can, saving some cash and his military identification card. He crept into a nearby racquetball club and in the locker room grabbed a duffel bag full of clothes. He then entered a golf-equipment store and within about 20 seconds emerged with a stolen jacket and a set of keys. He pressed the key’s panic button, and a Dodge Charger lit up down the block. He climbed in, then noticed a baby seat strapped into the back. Can’t take this one. Can’t involve children in war.
He walked to a store where construction was being done on the roof, and he found a set of keys and a dog in the crew’s work van. He let the dog out, fired up the van, and took off as the men yelled from the roof. He drove about an hour, evading his enemies until the van started to sputter. He parked it in an industrial park and set out on foot, walking for hours through wooded areas, moving parallel to an expressway, and watching for signs of surveillance. He slogged through creeks; the sun had set hours before, and temperatures dropped to about 20 degrees. He ignored the pain of the cold and changed into the clothes he had stolen.
He came across a concrete-making company and squeezed inside its gate, where he found an old snow-covered Chevy Blazer with the keys inside. He pulled a knife from his pocket and cut his military ID into pieces, then pulled out a driver’s license he found in the pocket of the jacket from the golf store, transforming himself into respectable citizen Ray Lawson, of Rochester, Michigan.
By now it was night; the lights on the Blazer didn’t work and the door wouldn’t stay shut, but he drove it until it died too, then hid it behind a local bar. As he climbed out of it, a piece of exposed metal tore one leg of his wet blue jeans from his buttocks to his ankle. Dangerous cold. But Andy’s training from survival school stayed with him: Keep moving forward.
Police stopped him as he walked down a frozen road and asked for identification. “Where have you been tonight, Mr. Lawson?” one of the officers asked.
“Down at the bar with buddies,” Andy said, chuckling. “Could you guys give me a lift home?”
They called him a taxi instead, and as the sun came up Andy had the driver let him off in a nice golf-course community. Then he followed a woman into a nearby construction office, pulled her keys from her purse when she wasn’t looking, and wheeled away in her black Jeep. He needed to find a safe place, and fast.
He decided to make his way to his mother’s lake house, but along the way he drifted to sleep at the wheel and almost forced another car off the road. Gotta stop. He pulled over. Gotta rest. Police found him passed out on the wrong side of the road.
Breaking and entering. Interstate grand larceny. Identity fraud. Trespassing. Credit card theft. The list went on. The prosecutor and judge took one look at Andy and realized something in him had gone wrong. There’s a catch-22 in the system, though: The judge couldn’t just release Andy back into the public; he was dangerous and needed to be imprisoned, if only to protect himself. But Veterans Affairs won’t take over a jailed soldier’s case until he’s released. The ensuing bureaucratic disentanglement took months, leaving Andy in jail and his family discouraged almost to the point of despair.
Andy wasn’t a criminal. He was broken.
—-
This past June I visited Andy at the VA hospital in Battle Creek, Michigan, where he now lives in confinement. For years he bounced in and out of VA medical-treatment centers and received care that often seemed, at best, inattentive. But now doctors are working hard to unlock his mind with new drugs and therapies. They have not yet issued a specific diagnosis, but he’s being treated for post-traumatic stress disorder and substance abuse, among other things, and a private doctor told him he showed symptoms of delusional disorder.
Battle Creek is an old facility, dating back to 1924, and its exterior has a creaking sort of beauty. On the inside of the lockdown ward, though, every surface is painted the same putty color. Andy’s mother took me into a central room where nurses in old-fashioned uniforms pulled enormous rings of keys from their pockets, unlocking each door they passed through.
When Andy walked in, I didn’t recognize him for a moment. His blond hair had turned dark and retreated from his face, which seemed the color and consistency of glue.
We embraced. “This sucks, man,” he said. He seemed to veer between understanding his illness and clinging to the delusion of rejoining his elite colleagues. So we talked about other, familiar topics. The wars, my work, my family, and his hope to reassemble some sort of life with his son. But then in a shrinking voice he told a story I hadn’t known, about what happened after Mullah Omar’s forces had ambushed his team from three sides outside Kandahar.
Andy had stayed awake through the night, pushing his mind with calculations and navigational cues, dropping bombs by the planeload on anything that approached. The day after the ambush, he and the Special Forces team peeked over a ridge and saw a village — the village from which the ambush had launched, they felt sure, and so Andy called in air strikes on several Land Cruisers he could see. Land Cruisers, he knew, meant Al Qaeda.
Later, after the team had come down from the ridge and entered another village a couple of miles away, Andy saw a figure coming over the horizon: a man carrying a little girl whose jaw had been blown off by a bomb. The man had walked two miles with her in his arms to ask the Americans for help.
Andy stood nearby as the Texas 17 medic tried to put the girl’s face back together, then loaded her onto a helicopter headed back to an American outpost. Something about seeing the girl’s small body lying across her father’s arms — something in her smallness, the shape and drape of her body — had sent a terrible jolt arcing from one synapse to another in Andy’s brain and across two decades of his life. No matter what the guys around him said, Andy knew better: I did this.
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Andy fought in Afghanistan on behalf of all 300 million Americans, and each American owns one-300-millionth of every bomb he dropped. But unlike the rest of us, he lives with the consequences.
There’s hope for Andy. Right now he’s allowed to leave the Battle Creek hospital for two days a week, with permission. Then he’ll gradually move to an off-campus apartment and to independence, though he’ll continue to be treated by doctors at the hospital for the foreseeable future.
Not long ago he called with an announcement: “I’ve got a date!” he said. “First one in years. It’s with a third-grade teacher.”
Wonderful news. And when he feels ready for it, I said, I’ve still got the box with his stars inside. Awards for bravery and gallantry from a former life.
“Just hang on to ’em a little longer,” he said. “I’ll come visit soon.”
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This article originally appeared in the April 2010 issue of Men’s Journal.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 1:10 am
1/300th million of each bomb??? I am absolutly positive I never asked that sob bush to send troops to kill people in other countries; and I am also sure that your ‘buddy’ is a wacko killer who volunteered to become an assassin — tough luck that he isn’t man enough to own up to his actions.
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Johnq Reply:
March 23rd, 2010 at 5:41 am
peewee…on behalf of all Americans who serve this country, its people and its leaders…please have respect for those who volunteer to protect this country. The fact that you don’t understand what is wrong with your comment underscores the fact that you undoubtedly harbour untested views of the world living for yourself only.
To all those who serve this country, I can only apologize that you have to tolerate people like peewee. We saw them after Vietnam and we see their liberal intolerance today. Rest assured, they are a small minority of this great nation and are nothing less than passengers on the great efforts of other Americans.
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Kwontum Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:34 am
I can understand that Bush comment, but you dont know Andy at all. you dont know why he joined the military.
do you think every person in the military is an evil, bloodthirsty murderer?
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Barry Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:32 am
As a cop for the past 27 years in Northern NJ, having lost friends in the 9/11/01 attacks in WTC I cannot thank Andy enough for his ervice to our nation. Is there a fund or some other mechanism which will allow us to help him. He is a real american hero, not some sports star or movie mogul. Real deal. God Bless him.
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Barry Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Mr. Teague…if possible please post information how we can help Andy. Many of the first responders I know who have lived through 9/11/01 in NJ/NY will gladly help. Never Quit
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FDNY 217 Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 9:09 am
FDNY personnel fully support and stand behind Andy. We appreciate his sacrfice for our counrty….343 Never Forget!!!!
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FDNY 217 Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Andy if you read this Never Quit, Never Give Up…FDNY
USAFMedic Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:29 am
I use to work with Andy at our unit at Hurlburt. I have nothing but admiration for Andy and all of Americas Peacekeepers. Keep fighting Andy!!! I know you’ll win this fight.
If you would like to help soldiers like Andy you can do so through the Special Operations Warrior Foundation at:
http://www.specialops.org/
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FDNY 217 Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Thank you for info…will follow up.
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FDNY 217 Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Never Quit—-FDNY
RadioJG Reply:
June 3rd, 2011 at 5:43 pm
I came into Andy’s unit about a year before he left, i had also deployed with his wife Tina to africa before the towers and i can say nothing but good things about them both. The last i had heard about him was when he was picked up in Ohio, i’m glad to have found this article and to hear that he is getting help and is on his way to one day being the old KK we knew.
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Amit @ Big booty Reply:
May 11th, 2011 at 10:03 am
@Barry Because of you guys, we americans are able to sleep safely at night…
Andy is a great guy.. Wars are just waste of time.. but sometime you need to fight off the evil..
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FDNY 217 Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
PeeWee you are obviously soft..FDNY personnel fully support and stand behind Andy. We appreciate his sacrfice for our country….343 Never Forget!!!!
Andy if you read this Never Quit, Never Give Up…FDNY
…Rescue 1 Second to None..We will never forget 9/11 and your sacrifice
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SOGMACV Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 3:53 am
peewee, what a fitting name you chose! You obviously know nothing of commitment, courage or bravery. I can only safely assume you are one of the many who has done absolutely nothing for your country, nothing but take and take and take, until you can’t take anymore, then have the audacity to ask if there’s anything else you can have for free….
Luckily, for you, there are men like Andy in America, who year after year answer the call, that you, being the weak, timid soul could never accomplish….
It’s people like you, peewee, that stand by and do nothing, then when you are in trouble ask and yell the biggest HELP your little weak lungs can muster….
Peewee, I hope you get wrongly accused of some horrible crime and go to prison for an extended stay, and hopefully you’ll get raped too….that would be so fitting wouldn’t it? I think so
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Mike Reisner Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 1:32 am
“I hope you get wrongly accused of some horrible crime and go to prison for an extended stay, and hopefully you’ll get raped TOO”
Sorry to hear about your ordeal SOGMACV. It must be hard going to prison for a horrible crime you didn’t commit…
Next time try to maintain the higer ground without threatening others online, Rambo! Or try thinking before you type, Sherlock.
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J. Deblanc Reply:
March 27th, 2010 at 11:38 am
I grew up in Harbor Beach and even babysat Andy. Without people like him to fight the wars are leaders wage, where would we be….our jails are full of people who have done wonderful, unselfish things, and we are a people who forget them and move on with our lives. We should all be ashamed at how we treat the mentally ill.
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rhino1965 Reply:
March 27th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
peewee,
so help me god if i ever find out your true identity i will personally extract justice for andy and all others who serve this country to give morons such as yourself the ability to project such asinine opinions.
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JCCT Reply:
March 27th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
peewee,
fitting name for someone who has never stood up as a man! The man you belittle is a hero as are all of our personnel fighting for you. If you had any understanding of why men like Andy do what they do you would get down on your knees and beg his and their forgiveness for being such a drag on our socity that they stand ready to protect at any cost.
Former CCT and teammate of Andy
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FDNY 217 Reply:
April 12th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Pee Wee would last 1 minute on a hot job with FDNY Rescue 1…..FDNY Never Forget 343…..Tommy Gavin
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Kal Reply:
March 28th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
JCCT, you’re an idiot! You may not have asked Bush to send him there but you, as well as others, sure as hell didn’t try hard enough to stop him. Watch what you say before someone comes to reclaim your share of that 300th frag jackass! Before you speak, learn a bit of humility and respect.
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Mark Reply:
March 31st, 2010 at 11:42 pm
You are a joke Peewee. If only you and your fellow liberals could have been the recipients of our American Bombs. I would have much rather seen your lifeless body draped in the arms of another tree hugger than some of the awful visions WE as soliders had to face. People like yourself/comments like yours are the truth of what is wrong with America. You are a sick and selfish person.
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Liberal Reply:
April 6th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Peewee is no liberal, and his words are mean, malicious, stupid and downright evil. Liberals love their country too, and fight to protect it. Please, this isn’t some spat between red-staters and blue-staters. The story of Andy’s bravery, of his love for country, of his noble sacrifice, should be required reading for all Americans.
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FDNY 217 Reply:
April 12th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Pee wee please come to Ground zero and spend some time with FDNY brothers who were in the towers….grow some chops…343 FDNY Never forget
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carlitos Reply:
April 4th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
PeeWee,
Clearly you have no concept of what REAL LIFE is and until you do, you will walk this planet blind, deaf and dumb to the sacrifices real men and woman make to keep you and your friends and family safe.
Your comment of an American who gave the ultimate sacrifice is hideous and hopefully one day you will realize what you said is ridiculous. Walk a mile in this man’s moccosins, experience what he lived and honestly ask yourself if you could walk out of that unscarred.
I am sure you are part of the “Obamination” that has brought this country down to it’s knees.
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wildcat69 Reply:
April 19th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
peewee you need to wake up Men like Andy need our help and support as a vet myself you have no idea what they go through. I had the oppurtunity to do what Andy did when I was 19. I had the ability but my priorities drove me in anotrher direction. I regret it now I wish I could go back and do it again. I have the utmost respect for all of those Combat Controllers and all they do for all of us. Keep up the good work guys you deserve all the help and support we can do for you’ll.You’ll are in my thoughts and prayers always.
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jeff Reply:
April 27th, 2010 at 1:52 am
money, hr, peewee, kal,
its a bit sad that you react to a disappointing/sad situation in such a negative manner. it really sucks that any war goes on at all, if you know anything about history it is the way of man kind. whether or not i believe in our military fighting in the mid-east doesnt matter because i believe in THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA, one nation under God!
Andy signed up to be a CCT, their motto is “First There”. Hurricane Katrina, guess who was there first helping to bring order to the city and establish communication and transportation for the wounded/sick and get supplies to the city. More recently in Haiti, guess who was there first, yep the CCT’s. They arrived and re-opened the airport where all supplies originated before our military and other organizations could get any boats down there, obviously the airport carries people to and from haiti as well. Thanks to the CCT for being “First There” and establishing the rebuilding processes.
Thanks to Andy and all of the CCT for kicking a$$ on whatever their mission/assignment may be! They didnt sign up to kill people, they signed up to serve the great and mighty United States of America and perform their job to the best of their god given ability and the incredible training that they have received. It’s just too bad there has to be a sad ending.
Stay with it Andy, we are behind you as a country regardless of what a few idiots have to say.
Also, thanks to all of you FDNY, NYPD, and any other servicemen and women. USA! USA! USA!
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acnfl Reply:
May 10th, 2010 at 8:23 am
PEEWEE,
I am sure an idiot like yourself has forgotten that the terrorists in Afganistan attacked us first. Our great President Bush had to deal with the first attack on American soil in decades and you have the nerve to say you didn’t approve. You should leave this great country you swine. And for the brave soilders like Andy who will risk everything to protect this country and your right to say those terrible things I hope you burn in hell.
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Mary Reply:
September 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 am
Peewee, I am so thankful for the bravery of our soldiers. I am also thankful for the web and every other outlet you have to produce your ignorance. By the way…Thank a soldier for that right.
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Jerry Reply:
January 15th, 2011 at 8:25 am
They wouldn’t be killing parts of themselves if we, (you too), hadn’t sent them. YOU are part of humanity, what is your responsibility?????
A wise person said “it is easy to blame others, and not seek the truth!”
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March 23rd, 2010 at 1:18 am
To paraphrase a wise person who said:
All of Humanity together makes up a single body, when one part is hurt the other parts are bound to feel pain.
Soldiers taking part in an unjust, immoral war can’t kill with impunity: they are killing parts of themselves; their own piece of humanity.
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FDNY 217 Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
FDNY personnel fully support and stand behind Andy. We appreciate his sacrfice for our counrty….343 Never Forget!!!!
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FDNY 217 Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Andy if you read this Never Quit, Never Give Up…FDNY
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Carl Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Peewee… your own words are unjust and vile. I’m sure the wise person you quoted would be aghast to find such a hypocritical snob has quoted him. Grow up.
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FDNY 217 Reply:
April 12th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Pee wee please come to Ground zero and spend some time with FDNY brothers who were in the towers….grow some chops…343 FDNY Never forget
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Keith Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Peewee
Those are fabulous words of wisdom, I would like to buy you an airline ticket (one way) to Afghanistan where you can preach your words to the Taliban, remember 9/11? If not for people like Andy there would be more attacks like that on American soil, Andy was willing to go to hell to help keep us safe. Will you do the same???
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USAF - USN Civ Contractor Reply:
August 1st, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Regardless of your age, peewee, if you live in a free society…
Keep waging your literary & philosophical war… We will just keep you safe to do so.
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Jerry Reply:
January 15th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Peewee they wouldn’t be killing parts of themselves if we, (you too), hadn’t sent them. YOU are part of humanity, what is your responsibility?????
A wise person said “it is easy to blame others, and not seek the truth!”
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March 23rd, 2010 at 8:51 am
Ok!! so, I just read my husbands Men Journal article on Andy Kubik. PeeWee, really???? I, myself, am not a conservative nor a Bush fan…however, you speak of humanity and being a SINGLE body but NOTHING in your comment suggests that YOU are!! You are NOT Compassionate, empathetic, loving, etc..all of the things that someone who believes IN humanity would be!!!! It is people with your dogmatic, rigid and hypocritical view that give liberals a BAD name!!!! Listen: Even a Buddhist Monk (meaning the most peaceful representation of human kind) wouldn’t say what you did!! Go educate yourself before you comment on someone’s story…Very, very lame!!!
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Goode Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:14 am
What about Justice? I guess that doesn’t count for anything in your warped sense of humanity. International Law mean anything to you? How about the Constitution? I doubt if you even care – as long as some small-minded politician says the heathens must be beaten down, you are ok with it, hunh?
You really must stop reading your husband’s article and get some of your own – it may help you with understanding the broader aspects in the dirty world of politics because right now you just sound like another sheeple.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 9:55 am
As a person who has known Andy since childhood let me inform everyone out there that Andy is in no way a “wacko killer who volunteered to become an assassin”. Thank God for Andy and people like him, willing to give everything they have for the good of millions. Thank you Andy and every American soldier that has, are, or will be protecting my freedom. Thank you for serving our country and allowing me and my children to grow up in a free country. Stay strong Andy, you will overcome this. I am proud of you and wish I could take away the pain you are going through.
Thank God Andy was protecting us and not peewee.
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Goode Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:21 am
Proud Friend — why do you keep mentioning freedom? Where you born into some sort of slavery? and so Andy declared war on the enemy in order for you to gain your freedom or are you implying that they are trying to enslave us and Andy is preventing that from happening?
Anyway, sorry to learn of poor Andy’s plight.
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Charles Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Service members are the front line of defense. That’s what they do. If you are having issues with the politics of this country, than this article is not for you. You should get involved with anti-war activism. I think you must be very young or simply a little eager to announce to the world that you are different, and everyone else is a sheep. But you are here with the rest of us, wasting time online after having read the article, and unlike many service members, your hands are working well enough to type, however unfortunate that may be.
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shannon green Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Well said Charles!! “from one sheep to another”!!
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FDNY 217 Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
FDNY personnel fully support and stand behind Andy. We appreciate his sacrfice for our counrty….343 Never Forget!!!!
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FDNY 217 Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Andy if you read this Never Quit, Never Give Up…FDNY
Rescue 1 Second to None
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March 23rd, 2010 at 10:01 am
That’s the irony!!! He was protecting Peewee!! That’s how naive Peewee is to not realize that!!
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FDNY 217 Reply:
April 22nd, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Peewee would last 60 seconds on a hot job with FDNY….Andy served us..we were in the towers….Rescue 1 Second to None..Andy you have 5000 brothers that have your six -FDNY 343 lost on 091101
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March 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 am
Oh..BTW, peewee’s name suits him VERY well!!! Mind and probably body!!!
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Major Roja Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:24 am
Peewee was definetly being rude and blunt. He should at least try to empathize with Andy’s suffering.
But Shannon honey, you know the old rhyme about Sticks and stones…
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robin m Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Shannon, you lost the high ground right here..
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shannon green Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:54 am
Sorry, but I wasn’t going for the high ground… sometimes it is sooo easy to let yourself stoop to the lower level…oops
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SonnySam Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 1:45 am
Must have to work really hard to stoop any lower; didn’t know there was anything lower than killers hiding behind the defense of blind patriotism.
The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 am
I knew Andy when he was a young kid. I’m so thankful for Andy and the rest of the military who have given so much for me and America. I can sleep at night knowing people like Andy are protecting my country. I pray that the Lord heals Andy, and all the others that have gone through hell. In the article, it says Andy felt “I did this”, but I’d like to say that “Osama Bin Laden did this”. Andy and the others in the military have risked their lives, some have given their lives, to stop a “wacko killer” named Bin Laden. Andy needs our support, and so do all the military!
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Realist Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:31 am
So take it up with the Saudi’s and get the f* out of Iraq and Afganistan.
Leave Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and everyone else the h* out of it.
I second the comment about reading Stephen Kinzer’s book Overthrow – a real eye opener about the true intentions of our politicians and their lobbyists in needs-a-wash-ington. Same theme throughout the book – Can’t teach an old dog new tricks!
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Holly Iseler Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Hmmm, now that’s a good idea! I wonder if our defense department thought of that? Oh wait! bin Laden isn’t IN that country. He moves from the mountains of Afghanistan to the mountains of other countries, to the borders of other countries. I guess we could sit back, do nothing, and wait for him to blow up some more buildings on American soil. You’re brilliant!
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Duh Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 1:53 am
So we have to invade the whole country and kill hundreds of thousands to get 1 man?
Either you have no brain to think for yourself OR you truly believe our special forces (all of them combined) are so inept that it can’t track and find 1 man in some third world country…
TRUTH: the oil and the money; in other words, steal the oil and steal billions of dollars from the countries we invade to pay for low-life defence contractor scum.
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saul Reply:
March 27th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
“realist” have you ever been to one of these countries? or do you just read a lot.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
This is a very touching and well written story. I realize the need, at times, for having our Andy Kubiks in the world. I served in the US Navy, though I’m not American. The world without a strong America would be a very scary place, but it seems that not enough Americans realize it. I found my heart going out to Andy Kubik. I hope the best for him and all our veterans who will face the mental, emotional and physical trauma that serving will bring.
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Vicky Erdman Reply:
March 23rd, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Andy is an awesome person!!! I know him and his family, I am very close to them, and they are all wonderful intelligent people!! It takes a very special person to be in the military – and Andy is one. Best of luck Andy, we are praying for you and your family. We are a better country because of all of our military people. God Bless you!
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March 23rd, 2010 at 7:21 pm
This article portrays every small town boy in rural America who is somebody’s friend, brother, and son. They choose to serve our country and make sacrifices that most of us not only can’t imagine, but choose to be ignorant to. We have all heard this before, but our freedom definitely does not come free. Soldiers like Andy pay the price for us. The suffering hits close to home with Andy. He is a special guy from a special family. He grew up in a small town where we all still care about and want the best for each other. Every little town across America has an “Andy”. Someone who has been hurt, has suffered, or even died fighting for our freedom. Let’s all pull together as a country and remember what these young men and women do for us. God Bless you Andy. I am proud to know you and thankful to you for your sacrifices. I’m sure it wasn’t easy telling your story, but it is one that needed to be told so people can understand what you and others go through. Please get better, we are all pulling for you! Love and Peace to you and your family.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 8:23 pm
My family grew up with Andy and his family. Andy always had a kind heart and wanted to help people. Everone is our home town is praying for him and his family. Where we grew up we all stuck together and helped each other out. I am positive that when Andy signed up for the force he could not even imagine what he would be going through. To peewee..you disgust me. How dare you put down a “hero” who “lost” his life in helping you keep yours. If anyone is a wacko..it is YOU! When we join the United forces its not because we want to harm others jacka** it is to keep all of us and our future generations safe. Thank you Andy for all that you have done. We all love you here in the big ol HB
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March 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
I spent 20 yrs in the Army and would like to reply if I may first off Peewee Kiss my ASS, 2nd I’m sorry for Andy and his difficult readjustment to civilian life. But I hope the most of your readers will realize that people like Andy are the EXCEPTION to the rule, the vast majority of Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors who deploy to a hazardous duty location come back with little to no effect on their psyche. They are the norm, the ones who get out after their time and go back to their lives.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Andy Kubik is my brother. Words cannot express just how proud I am for what our military has done to protect our country. On behalf of all our family, I would like to thank each and everyone for their love and support. Matthew Teague, thank you so much for bringing this story to the forefront.
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HB Waves Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Spoken with the elegance and grace of a Kubik.
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The Connell's Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Thank you Mr. Teague for such a fascinating article about a truly remarkable, yet humble individual. Thank you Andy for being a man of honor and duty. We pray that you will persevere and be victorious in your personal battles. You have a wonderful family and many friends offering you overwhelming support and prayers. God Bless You from your neighbors in Burnette Woods Sub. (Your house will always be the Kubik house no matter who lives there, just like our house will always be the O’Connor house-even after 18 years!)
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Terry Brown Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Thank you for sharing this story. It is personal and it should be. We ask so much of those who put their lives on the line on behalf of country. We need to find ways to support them and their families when they get home. My prayers are with Andy, his family, our community, our nation and our world. May we all find peace.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 pm
I served with Andy during the 90′s at Pope AFB. Andy is exactly the kind of guy you want and need on the front line making the hard decisions.
He is suffering a war injury like thousands of our men and women who have volunteered to go forth and protect our way of life. He needs our help, support and understanding while he recovers from his injury.
I can assure anyone who has read some of the comments above that NOBODY comes back from war with little or no effect on their psyche. I suppose it is possible to deploy forward to a ‘hazardous duty location’ and not be affected but Andy was not sitting at a ‘hazardous duty location’.
As for the first commenter, his kind were the ones who screamed ‘why don’t you do something’ when the Taliban was decimating it’s own population with archaic laws and customs in the 90′s. The same atrocities that are being perpetrated in Dar fur are further examples of the tyranny that we are currently fighting. Educate yourself before you cast stones at those who serve.
Finally to Andy’s family. Thank you for raising a wonderful son and patriot. Andy is one of our best. I am proud to say I got to serve and train along side of him.
Joel Juett
MSgt USAF (Retired)
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Realist Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:39 am
BS Alert: Where the Taliban decimating their own population prior to the US invasion? Or is that more horse waste you have been fed?
Where they decimating the population when the Ruskies invaded their country and were killing people indiscrimanently (as we are now)?
Don’t cloud the issue:
Untold hundreds if not thousands of our troops are suffering and hundreds of thousands of civilians are being killed because of near-sighted racist fears of our population (perfect for our politicians and lobbyists to manipulate).
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Sam Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:19 am
BS Alert is right. Stop asking questions of us and go look up the answers yourself. Did we create the Taliban? Did the Soviets? We are killing indiscriminently? Do you know what the words you use actually mean. Probably not. Stop making up numbers. Go to Afghanistan and count the dead. We the people who respect the sacrifices of others for the good that it does for everyone, we will wait for you here.
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shannon green Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
“Were”! It takes away a lot of cred. when you can’t even spell the words that you speak!
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shannon green Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
The above was referring to “Realist”
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FDNY 217 Reply:
April 21st, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Thank God for people like Andy. His service to our nation is priceless. FDNY Rescue 1 – 343 9/11/01 – We will be there for you. Never Give Up..Never Quit
March 23rd, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Thank you for sharing this story. I remember Andy’s smile when we were in high school together and will keep Andy and all of the Kubik family in my prayers.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 pm
This is a wonderful yet heart wrenching story. It brought tears to my eyes to know what Andy has endured and suffered. I’m so very proud but saddened. Andy has many burdens to deal with. I pray that he puts his burdens on the Lord and asks for peace (Believe).
I just read this article to my boys, age 13 and 15. We still live in the old neighborhood, play in the same creek, just a different generation. They were so proud to have a hero that once lived so close. We are all praying for you Andy. God Bless you and the whole Kubik family!
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March 23rd, 2010 at 10:37 pm
I like many others who grew up in the small town of Harbor Beach stand fully behind you Andy in your recovery. Putting your country first and the 300 plus million who live here is a remarkable attribute. My words can not express how proud I am when I hear of your story. Simply amazing.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 10:46 pm
God bless our troops for having sacrificed so much.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 pm
Andy is in our circle of prayer.
Pewee, too.
The things that ordinary folks do to keep this country safe.
What about our leaders ?
Apparently, they don’t care.
God bless Andy. Jeremiah 29:10.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Andy took part in an illegal war and killed innocents.
He will be held responsible before God just like all the other politician criminals.
It’s not over for Andy and them… it just starts after they die, when all the wrongs and murdered, including that innocent girl, are vindicated.
Infinite Justice!
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TSgt Jeff Woods, USAF Reply:
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:25 pm
HR-you’re a moron. The only reason you can open your mouth and say something like this is because of people like Andy Kubik. Military members defend the freedoms that you abuse.
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HR Reply:
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Yeah Jeff Woods.. I’m the idiot b/c I fought an illegal war on the behalf of the politicians and was left to rot afterwards.
Anyway, the truth doesn’t become false, b/c you’re too blind to see it.
Final Judgement remains to be passed.. Judgement Day!
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Jared Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 11:18 am
What war was ever legal? Did the world police issue a warrant for our arrest?
Similarly, with all due respect to our servicemen, what war is ever truly moral?
Good people die, on both sides. Some are simply products of their upbringings.
That being said, you incredibly naive approach, lambasting our servicemen for fighting in an ‘illegal and immoral’ war is almost too simple-minded, too blind, and too illogical to address.
Save your politics-inspired drivel for politicians – these are real people who were doing the best they could. They gave their lives to our country, to be used by the country for our defense. Any problems you have need to be taken up with the country’s leaders, not with the men and women who volunteered to help protect us.
Patriotism is a dangerous thing. It makes people blind to the fact that we aren’t necessarily the good guy – it makes people fail to evaluate the facts in front of them.
That being said, you don’t have to be a flag-waving patriot to appreciate the sacrifice, effort, and suffering servicemen, including Andy, have put themselves through for our benefit.
The greatest irony is that you obviously do not grasp the sacrifices that have already been made on your part for your freedoms, despite your utilization of those freedoms in speaking this uneducated vitriol that rolls off your tongue at those who would die for you.
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seeforyourself Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Money..HR..Peewee you have your opinion and thats great. why are you so angry about what others do? after being in Iraq and Afghanistan ive seen many people lives upgraded because of the USA. i somewhat agree that maybe more attention should be brought back the the states instead of other countries but can we honestly say that they wouldnt bring the war to American soil? there is a good side and a bad to everything anyone does even ourselves. the people in those countries never had running water etc…. and they hopefully will better the world now knowing more than just the Taliban and warlords. do you think us helping earthquake devistated areas is a bad idea? its the same thing just longer term. Iraq and Afghanistan was devistated by real bad people. are you those that say Cops that kill bad guys are bad themselves? if those bad people arent taken care of then they will kill/harm more good people. you never know that maybe your life or someone you love has been saved because someone else made a sacrifice instead of standing on the side judging everyone. anyone can stand and judge..
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Money Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 12:26 am
Woods,
On behalf of the world: thanks for killing millions of human being and defending American soil in the immoral wars of Iraq and Afganistan. Please save the bull about fighting them there vs here — [if you still believe Iraq had anything to do with 911 then you still have your head up bush's a**, pull out for some fresh air - it's good for your brain]
While I am at it let me also thank you for your quick response and unbiased service in New Orleans during Katrina and for helping keep the mass of illegal aliens down South of the border (except the ones willing to kill others as our foot soldiers in this war – for a quick route to an US passport).
If you want to learn about our politicians true colors read a few history books (elementary textbooks don’t count); for starters, read Stephen Kinzer’s OVERTHROW. It will help you understand what a big tool you’ve become.
Keyword for today people: responsibility – owning up to what you’ve done.
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Sam Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Money: “Keyword for today people: responsibility – owning up to what you’ve done.”
And the people that you think we should have “saved” are better than the ones we are helping now? Where was their responsibility to help themselves when the water came up? Where is your anger at companies that hire the illegal aliens? And you too should quit making up numbers. Millions of human beings – go count them for us will you? LOL
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Donna Smith Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Ok wise guy. 1 person was killed – that little girl in the story according to Mr. Teague.
Her family has to live with the horror of gungo diplomacy.
Here it is again, for the simple-minded racist WASPs: realise that a life is one human being – regardless of wether it belongs to an American or not.
Snuffy Reply:
April 27th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
I just want to take all you ignorant people and bunch all of you together. I want to ship you all to Afghanistan with no weapons food or water and you can live amongst those that you defend. We will see how long you would last. We will see how inhospitable it just might be there and how long you hold it together. You want to protect their rights. Then get the hell out of here and live with those savages and leave us true Americans alone. People who would bleed and die for this country and all of it’s beauty. I want to take all of you and dispose of you all; the ugly and the evil and cleanse the earth. None of you even know what you stand for anymore. This man is a hero to our country. You folks turned a touching story about a man once strong now crippled by a catastrophic event into an anti-government propaganda war. Take this some where else you heartless soulless bastards.
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No Fear Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 12:45 am
Hahaha – good joke. You sound as if you actually believe that those who support their military regardless of right and wrong actually care about justice [yet a surprisingly high number of foot soldiers profess to being 'good christians' (what the heck does this mean anyway -- killing other human beings without a care yet they are still honorable people???)].
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Snuffy Reply:
April 27th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
I hope the terrorist kill you fuckers and don’t come asking the rest of us true Americans to help.
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Kwontum Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:40 am
what about you HR? will you be held accountable for all you have done? a lie is the same as murder. you know what you have done. if Andy can’t be forgiven for being human, neither can you.
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Donna Smith Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Sorry but we aren’t the ones that have any forgiving to do.
Besides, I didn’t think Andy is asking for any forgiveness.
He is sharing his story of trials and tribulations of being a soldier stuck in the black hole of the American military and it’s political leader’s gung-ho approach to problemsolving.
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wildcat69 Reply:
April 20th, 2010 at 6:05 am
HR you suck you have no idea what these heroes go through!!!!!!
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March 23rd, 2010 at 11:38 pm
What a sad and remarkable story. I really hope Andy can rebuild his life. I’m a tree hugging, mostly pacifist liberal who recognizes the huge sacrifice Andy and other soldiers have made for our country, for me.
If anyone knows Andy, please pass to him the idea of Somatic Experiencing therapy. I believe it to be a viable option for curing PSTD, over time of course. Peter Levine is the main developer of the treatment, but there are lots of folks now around the country who could help.
Good luck and god bless.
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March 23rd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
I get the point: The story is all about Andy (good)
The replies are not about Andy, they are about peewee (bad)
Peewee is a thief.Peewee got caught. (Just like his namesake)(embarrassment)
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March 24th, 2010 at 12:06 am
I am not from the U.S.A., but I have lived there, and not illegaly, and though I did not have the honor of serving in the military, my older brother did. During his time in the Army, my brother opted for Special Forces training. Unfortunately, as he likes to say, he never saw action in Irak or any other middle east conflict. Many of his training buddys did and have ended up in places some of us will never see or know much about. Some of those friends will never set foot on American soil again, RIP. But is becuase of people like Andy, my brother and his friends that America can bestow upon it’s people the freedoms that they enjoy, and in some cases take for granted.
Many of us forget that behind every “Andy” there is a human being, a life waiting to continue it’s course. But sometime there is calling with in those people, like Andy. Who feel an obligation to duty, patriotism, and justice. A calling so strong that, to us “normal” people, seems lacking in logic or reason. A calling that compells these men and women to give their all. Sometimes to the point of giving that which we all hold so dear, our very life.
It is because of people like Andy that people like PEEWEE, have the freedom to express themselves in the way he has chosen to in this very article. Though Andy may be among us in body, his mind and most probably his soul have suffered and paid a most terrible price for our freedoms. for protecting the freedoms of Americans, Andy also has protected the freedoms of us all.
I hope that my words may reach and bring comfort, peace and solace to the tortured soul that is Andy, and may the people who like to critizise the defenders freedom, like PEEWEE. May you never have to suffer the ordeals of a battered and tortured mind and have to endure the critizism of those who can’t understand your pain.
I apologize for my bad grammar and I salute those who give their all to maintain the freedoms so many have died for.
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Ralph Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 1:04 am
Amen
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Dr. Pondicherruvela Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:01 am
ATeam. So this Andy guy is like Murdoch?
Joking aside, good article Matthew.
I hope Andy finds the help the US goverment should be providing and doesn’t throw him on the street like it did after our other war – Vietnam. Too bad healthcare reform is a sad joke that strengthens the corporate machine. The only bright side is that it is a step that has taken decades to take – single payer or at least public option all the way baby — stick it to the man!
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March 24th, 2010 at 12:06 am
Wallbright, Ditto!
Although, where there is smoke there is fire; and American history (not the BS propoganda written in classroom textbooks) is enough proof of her facist, expansionist tendancies.
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Ralph Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 1:03 am
I’ll admit, sometimes to find comfort from the cruel tough world, I pretend there’s a secret conspiracy that controls my life. That way I feel better about my shortcomings.
Unfortunately for me, I’m smart enough to realize that’s not reality and I gotta actually work.
Lucky for you, you don’t have the mental capacity to do so, and get to live in blissful ignorance.
In case you do wake up for a moment… can you name a country in the world today “better (more free, more humanitarian, more generous, better living standards… etc. etc.)” than the United States of America?
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Warty_Bliggens Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Well, by reasonably objective standards, many countries are better in the categories you mention than the USA. For example, A Standard of Living Index is published annually by International Living. As of 31 December 2009 this showed 1 France, 2 Australia, 3 Switzerland, 4 Germany, 5 New Zealand, 6 Luxembourg, 7 USA, 8 Belgium, 9 Canada, 10 Italy. I think most people would agree that we are better in some areas and worse in others. (Income inequality, number of prisoners in jails (see freedom), racism, sexism… etc.. etc…)
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March 24th, 2010 at 12:07 am
Killing people to free them will make anyone crazy. War is not Peace. Freedom is not Slavery. Authority is not truth. Truth is authority. It is time to look behind the curtain. We have no representation. We have no leaders.
What Andy had to go through served no purpose. He is brave and courageous but was asked to fight the wrong war. 911 was an inside job. Anyone who is not a coward or an idiot can see that we have been lied to. Wake up to what is happening. Look at the information provided by Architects and Engineers for 911 truth. Once you wake up you will see our world more clearly and understand why what happened to Andy is such a tragedy. Don’t be a coward. Think for yourself.
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Charles Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
I suppose you think George W. Bush was smart enough to pull it off too, don’t you? You’re thick headed. No, maybe not, maybe you hit your head, and due to the fact that your skull is relatively thin, your brain was traumatized. Yeah, that makes more sense.
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Andrew Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
I don’t know who pulled it off. I do know, because I am not a neanderthal like yourself, that Iraq had nothing to do with it. You criticize my comment with moronic insults like a ten year old on the playground. What does that say about you? Are you a scared little child? Are you incapable of reading or thinking for yourself. Are you a good little boy who listens to talk radio and thinks everything he is told is the truth. Wake up and grow up. Unfortunately we need morons like you to save our country.
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Charles Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
You don’t know who pulled it off. But you know it was an inside job. Intriguing, very intriguing stuff. Well, I guess you could write a script this weekend about it, making stuff up as you go along, or you could sit down with the Congressional report on the event and poke holes. Either way, maybe you’ll at least get some closure. Goodnight kid.
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Andrew Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Anytime someone questions the “Official” story, I mean conspiracy, they are attacked, not over the facts of the case, but over their sanity. I find it hard to believe that there are so many thick headed morons out there, that always believe what they are told. To the moron, who calls himself “Charles”, can you comment on the destruction of World Trade Center Tower number 7? Can you explain why it collapsed at nearly free fall speed, even though it was not hit by one of the planes? Can you explain why it wasn’t mentioned in the official 911 report? Can you explain why over 1000 architects and engineers are calling for a new investigation? It is way to easy to see that there was a major cover up on the true story of 911. The examples contradicting the “official” story are too numerous to mention. You obviously haven’t been willing to look or are simply paid to respond with childish taunts.
March 24th, 2010 at 12:25 am
We only seem to see the world from our point of view and create hero’s out of anyone. Andy killed innocent people, as did the individuals/governments that carried out 9/11. Why are one group considered “terrorists” and the other “hero’s”?
Andy has been left to his family to deal with, instead of being taken care of by the individuals on whose behalf he fought. George W, Dick C, Donald R, and the rest of the gang are sleeping in wealth and peace while guys like Andy are suffering. The entire war was a lie and continues to be a lie.
We are all preaching about the rights that Andy fought for, but what about those same rights for the humans in GB and the humans in Iraq and the humans in Afghanistan?
“Mission Accomplished” as GWB put it. So lets deal with the crap we are being fed with actual facts and truth. Our government is not in our best interest.
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Ralph Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 12:58 am
You’re a moron.
Take control of your own life. Move out of your mother’s basement and start doing your own laundry.
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LethaL Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 1:58 am
Hahaha this coming from a guy still stuck to his mothers nipple. Once you can move on to solids, you can continue your suckling action with DICK Cheyney and George BUSH.
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March 24th, 2010 at 12:37 am
Already moved by Andy’s story, partway through I see that he is from Harbor Beach, where I spent summers as a child. I remember the magic of the lake under sun and storm, the breakwater, the beachline that changed every year, building sand castles with tunnels down which my father sent little sand toads. So I feel kinship with Andy and others from HB, and kinship with people from every other place on this Earth, where children find magic in peace and in war, and I pray that we will all remember our kinship with one another…
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March 24th, 2010 at 12:45 am
The people of Afghanistan and Iraq are a threat to us? When we train people to use violent high tech weapons like those described in this article to kill people with head scarves and sandals (quite a threat to me here in Massachusetts) the individuals using those violent weapons (in this case Andy) pay the ultimate price.
Sadly, I think Andy had a perfectly human reaction to what he was ordered to do by the military – those are not natural human instincts or actions he performed. Why do people keep killing because they are told to? Killing because they have a uniform on seems like the ultimate cop out and the ultimate excuse to abandon and ignore individual responsibilty, morals and values….in short it is a betrayal of themself and of humanity collectively. Andy is paying the price and having a perfectly natural reaction to the insanity of his previous actions. Why are we still so barbaric and blind to keep killing for “leaders” who obviously don’t care about people like Andy? Oh, right, I forgot the people in scarves and sandals are coming to get us.
Good luck Andy I hope you are able to put this behind you. You simply did as you were ordered to do so that should make everything OK.
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March 24th, 2010 at 12:56 am
Wow. What an American.
If anyone doesn’t understand what they owe this man, they don’t deserve to live in this country.
Be well Andy
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Tami Knox Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Thank you Ralph. I agree!
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Jumbo Jr. Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Ditto from Sitting Bull and his people (all 60 million of them); before Christobol Colombo [NOT ChristoFur ColumnBus] showed up.
Like my black friend says: “we weren’t starving in Africa when the white man decided He needed to run away from that crap hole called europe; disease, persecution, and malnutrition were his alone yet he insisted on forcing us to come along.”
Too bad this discussion has shifted from Andy and the challenges he faces each day for doing his job; he was only following orders.
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Kim (Castle) Gray Reply:
March 27th, 2010 at 7:05 am
That’s one of the best comment I’ve read so far. I’ve known And since kindergarten. He has a big heart. I wish him only the best and thank him for what he’s done. Get well, my friend.
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March 24th, 2010 at 1:14 am
Andy you are an treasonous ahole who is using the misery of a patriotic soldier to make your worthless point. Last time I checked Islamist are in conflict with everybody around the world Darfur, Balkans, India, Europe, Philippines, Indonesia etc.
No who will fight them if not the USA ? Not, Obama who was sent to Harvard courtesy of Saudis ? Only selfless patriots like Andy.
Instead of supporting him you the terrorist loving turd, mostly likely working for a Saudi funder rag(they do control CNN & FOX) exploit him.
Get a life jerk or go live with Taliban.
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American Idol Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 2:41 am
Arun,
Listen you stone licking fool. Last time I checked you need to wipe the turd from your eyes before you talk about terrorists. Who is killing thousands of villagers around your shitty country’s forests? Your own f-d up military; just so some western companies can rap3 the natural resources of your country.
And why have over 200 thousand farmers killed themselves in the past two years in your country? because your politicians are busy signing WTO agreements and driving these poor people to starvation.
And why does your crappy military need 700 thousand troops to occupy a little country called Kashmire (1/7 size of Iraq); by comparison we only have 200 thousand troops in all of Iraq.
Don’t cast stones… dot your i’s cross your t’s boy.
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indian Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:34 am
american idol u know nothing about my country india so keep ur mouth shut and dont be a fool to think arun who had posted belongs to my country and as far as andy is concerned i have met usa air force pilots who fought in afghanistan who had quit their jobs when pstd became unbearbale.if it can happen to a pilot it can happen to people who fought on the ground.at the end of the day war is about blowing and killing up people just or unjust.honestly usa green berets could have killed bin laden if they really wanted justice for 9/11 instead us govt were negotiating with taliban and what a joke afgan and iraq have become and pakistan has become the new cambodia and waiting to explode civil war.
as for as andys healing concerned he needs his family and friends support to heal and recover.my thoughts and prayers are with his family to recover
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Slushie Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Your Indian media is 100% corporate owned, state propoganda.
So what the heck do you know anything about the world, Apu?
You answered a total of 0 question I asked above; you have no answer — just wild dog tactics, bark and attack.
Joker you need to head back to the quickie mart.
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Singh is King Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 2:48 am
Hey Arun – watch your mouth fool! who you calling a rag head??? I find is abusive and offensive that you would use such language!
For your kind information, you sound so angry and ignorant. Why are you coming across as a crazy facist Hindu? Wake up man, Dr. Singh (prime minister of India) wears a turban proudly; like every observant sik.
So chill man or should I say – punk!
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March 24th, 2010 at 1:34 am
To everyone who has no respect for veterans: Andy was doing what he thought was best to protect us whereas most of you are making judgement from your armchair. He deserves the utmost respect.
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March 24th, 2010 at 1:42 am
I sure hope Andy was a nice, mentally stable person before he went in… Perhaps he should have gone in to the Army or Marines if he really felt tough enough for combat. Air Force special forces is like the teletubbies of paradoxes in my opinion.
–vet.
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Chris Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
If you were really a vet, you would know that Air Force special forces is no joke. When the marines, SEALS, or Army special forces get in too deep, who do you think they send in to rescue them. Air Force Pararescue. You should think more before you just say stupid shit.
-REAL vet
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afmattgto Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Also
As an AF vet, thats not cool. Marines are tough yea, but no offense man, how do you think those dirt strips and other areas are secured or hit before those same marines get there? The SEALS are tough..Deltas tough..they are all trained to be…and Combat Controllers are pretty da#n tough as well… as you could read in the article…as well as a REAL breakdown of what the CC’s do, you can see who is really first to fight… Had alot of friends either trying for, or were special ops and CC’s… theres a difference between your normal soldiers and airmen as compared to your special ops guys… you have to be a little wild to go into hell alone and walk out.. the majority of us were unable to commit to that let alone even get in (my case, had a daughter Id rather only leave for 6 to 12 months as opposed to years)..theres a good amount of jabbing between branches…and should only be if your are or were in, not just cuz Daddy was a marine…but when it comes to the SpecOps guys…they are just that..special.. and command a good deal of respect more than that of the regular guys no matter tha branch..your average marine could not do the same thing any branches spec op guy could do…same for all branches.. I have friends here that have documented PTSD and in my opinion there is quite possibly a PTSD type disorder for just getting out and trying to get back into the civilian world without bombs exploding in your face, at least thats my excuse…its always hard…but when youre as involved as Andy was, it lives with you forever… just serving lives with you forever, and an open mind as opposed to a brainwashed mind is much more advantageous…
Like I tell every Marine or soldier thats told me they were better, all the branches have their upsides and downsides.. we all signed a line that said wed do what we are told to… whether you were ARMY, AF, Marines, or NAVY…your just bodies…or joes…youre expendable in the Brass’s eyes. Thats why the elite guys of each branch are special…
I just dont understand how people can slam this guy for things hes done…on these comment boards… its survival… and when youre stuck in a region where everybody bites the hand that feeds.. you have to stay alive and watch your and your units back..
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CCT Reply:
July 19th, 2010 at 1:29 am
Mike, you’re a vet? Please humor me with what your job was in the military. You better lie about something good. Let’s measure d*cks, guarantee I’ll stuff yours in the dirt.
CCT
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March 24th, 2010 at 1:45 am
..again from me.
I knew another Army special forces recruit who wanted to be a special forces soldier but didn’t make it. He hasn’t been a very good friend to me, I’d say he’s socially stunted, even before going to war.
In my opinion, most soldiers or airmen or whatever, they’re just like you or me, except it’s easier for fellow soldiers to tell them apart than it is for civilians.
Pardon me for not reading the story, and it no doubt sucks that Andy of the story turned out so bad. Wish Andy the best… There’s probably a future for him in some pursuit, hopefully he finds it…
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March 24th, 2010 at 3:32 am
This is by far the best news article I’ve read all year. And I read a lot of news. Great, old fashioned investigative journalism. Amazing job, truly amazing. Everyone in America owes a debt to Andy, and all the other soldiers like him. He was wounded in war, just like people who lose a leg or an arm. Except that Andy lost his mind instead. Tragic, I hope one day he can experience meaningful recovery.
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March 24th, 2010 at 4:48 am
Al Caida is nothing compare to years of G.Bush.
How many life are broken because of the recessions, how many lives have been taken in Irak while there was absolutly no raison to invade Irak?
All taht Al caida did was to blow up the world trade center, it’s unfair and awfull for the people who died that day, but I think a recession, a war, and depravation of freedom with the patriot act is way too much a price to pay for avoiding another 9/11.
There’s has been countless attack in Europe from the 80 to nowadays and People just lived with it without loosing all control.Andy is pretty much representative of what the US has became.
A paranoid human being, sick of fears and violence.
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March 24th, 2010 at 5:23 am
To all of US:
Andy Kubik is, for all of us that care, a Patriot, A soldier, and, a Hero. He had to go through living Hell to get back home, and he didn”t make it back unscathed! He’s been mortally wounded by many near misses, terror filled days and nights and death stalking him every second he spent on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. Through an alien landscape, far from home and without a moments respite from danger, real! up close and personal reality, that most of us couldn’t endure for even a day without becoming unhinged. Through it all, he stepped up to the job, did what he knew was necessary and he did it for all the folks he knew and for all of US he didn’t know. He cared; he believed in the Mission he was given and he had the guts, drive and pride to do his job the best way he could to give all of us a chance to live untouched by the pressures of the war and the ugly promise of bin Laden’s Jihad! For the man who made that effort, there is a world filled with horrific memories, battle noise, fear, pain that can’t be described coming from inside his mind/soul without relief. There have been some people stating that it was wrong, that we’re controlled, deluded and can’t see the truth. We can and do. Some would like to think men like Andy Kubik were deluded and naive but they aren’t. They’re soldiers fighting for the principle of Freedom. If any of you believe that to be not important, read about WW2, the terrible price paid by all the world, its armies and soldiers. The Islamic Jihad wishes to return the world to that state of barbaric slaughter and ignorance. No other course of action or cause for resistance stands more necessary. I’m liberal, a Democrat and hate War! Be proud of Andy Kubik; He gave his sanity, family and peaceful life for our Country. He deserves better than belittlement by those who don’t understand reality. He deserves our gratitude and hope for recovery and respect. Denigrate this comment if you wish, but it won;t change the reasons for it. Thank you, Andrew Kubik ,for your service in our behalf. Peace to you brother…. this old hippie says, with deep respect, Thank You.
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Warty_Bliggens Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Well put. Don’t blame the messenger if you don’t like the message.
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March 24th, 2010 at 6:29 am
I am sure that Andy is a nice guy but he has to get over what I call the “Mommy, look at what I did” syndrome. Somewhere inside he wants to be recognized as the new “Audy Murphy” and he is acting out in order to get that recognition. Someone has to tell you. Andy, get over it. There are thousands , no millions of people on the planet who do acts of courage beyond anything you have ever done every day of their lives just to function in society and just to stay alive. Go live in the slums of Mumbai or Rio or anyone of the host of other places on this miserable planet where life is a daily struggle to survive and get yourself a dose of reality.
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March 24th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Matthew, let me thank you 1st for writing this article. All these previous postings are concerning Andy and his state, the way the US government has used our troops, the morality of war and sometimes the downright attack on Andy himself for volunteering to serve this great nation of ours.
I do not want to comment on Andy, God will continue to bless him for his sacrifice. I want to thank Matthew and the so many others like him. I sit here at 0530 drinking my coffee watching my son play with Legos having just returned from Iraq. He has asked me several times if I am ok, daddy, can you tell me what you did there. There will be things I don’t know if I will ever share with him, however, it is friends like you Matt, that we reach out to and rely on. It was/is your friendship with Andy that will stand the test of time. Your friendship and love for your Bro. is what Andy will always have. THANK you all who…just listen. Your article makes me proud to serve and protect people like you. PeeWee, don’t resent the man who went there to do what he was told, resent the Senator/Representative/President that YOU elected and sent him.
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Holly Iseler Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Very well said. Thanks for giving us another point of view. I hope the Lord does continue to bless Andy and all the others.
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March 24th, 2010 at 7:49 am
as a disabled vet I feel for the guy… society doesn’t make it easy for vets especially in red neck Montana.
Bottom Line he is one of many vets chewed up and spit out by the Industrial War Machine – NWO and Illuminati.
Folks need to stop joining the military and law enforcement.
Without their dogs the NWO Illuminati will loose power in the world and we can rebuild the world communities into a peaceful earth with true earth friendly energies such as Fusion.
Till that happens , Arm Up folks and be prepared for more sick vets on the streets of amerika.
You can either fight or be enslaved! Your choice!
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March 24th, 2010 at 8:07 am
All of our soldiers should be commended on the work they do. Their hard work and dedication is a monument to the spirit this country was founded on.
But what we shouldn’t do is praise their Commander in Chief or the Pentagon staff. Their inept strategies and doctrine were what placed our country in peril. It was their irrational knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 that put our men and women in harm’s way.
Andy and other soldiers are suffering because the armed forces do not do enough to support our troops when they come home. Andy should never have been allowed to rotate stateside until he was thoroughly tested for postwar psychosis. The moment he stepped away from the Air Force and back on to American soil, he should have been weighed down with business cards to mental health agencies that were not tied to the VA’s horrible health care system. He should have been lavished and pampered and left without want by our country’s health system.
Andy and those like him will suffer until their dying day. It is our job as American citizens to not judge them based on the actions of their terrible leaders. Never rebuke the soldier, for they were made to follow the orders of lesser men. Do not sunder the spirit of our nation’s defenders. Instead, bring upon the haughty justice of man those who profited from the war.
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john Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Travis,
The argument of not judging soldiers based upon actions of their terrible leaders was answered very comprehensively by the Nuremberg trials.
Having said that though, what is a soldier to do but to follow orders. What a terrible price to pay though. Here is wishing Andy the very best. I will be writing to my congressional representatives if they attempt to take away money that the country owes to our brave soldiers. We as a nation are responsible for all our soldiers, to take pride in their accomplishments to commiserate w/ them in times of sorrow and to help them recover from illnesses brought on by the war they wage for us.
Regardless of whether you support Bush or not, the soldiers deserve your support.
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March 24th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Thank you Andy and all those brave individuals who served our country all these years. May we all find peace.
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March 24th, 2010 at 8:23 am
The sad thing about the internet is that it allows the hateful extremist idiots from both sides to comment on a moving and thoughtful story such as this. Thoughts and prayers out to Andy, his family, and friends. The vast majority of the people in this country whether they are Democrat, Republican, or Independent know and respect the services that people like Andy have performed in order to protect our freedoms. We may not all agree on the particulars of each conflict, but we know the men and women of our armed do much more than we can ever truly appreciate at a very high cost to themselves. So to the Peewee’s out there, your hate marks you for what you are-a hypocrite and a fool. Before you post any more of your self righteous crap, take a look at yourself and try and figure out what dragged the last shred of compassion and pity from your own wounded little psyche.
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March 24th, 2010 at 8:28 am
I’ve read the story and all of the comments. Andy has trusted in the goodwill of the people he so ably protected. I now find it amazing that those same people haven’t invested in Andy’s well being after the killing is done, as they invested in his ability to survive through the killing time.
Not one person mentioned financing Andy, his child’s tuition, his highly demanding world. I hope you see the serious contradictions of this sympathetic, or even angry, outpouring of words re Andy; where is the money to build a world for Andy’s survival?
Shame, shame, shame. I understand why citizens of this country would refuse to fight to maintain a system that makes you an “enemy of the civicus” once you’ve vanquished the “enemies of the state.” Where are the corporations who’ve profited from all of this,e.g., KBR, Haliburton, Blackhawk, etc., when Andy and his family needs the money. Why haven’t all these responders launched demands from the corporate sector to patronize these heroes like Andy.
Emery
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Bingo Reply:
March 30th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
“Where are the corporations who’ve profited from all of this,e.g., KBR, Haliburton, Blackhawk, etc.,”
BINGO – we have a winner!
Answer: They are busy screwing the Andys of the world; patriot soldier who has lost his wife, kid, and sanity. The war profiteers are a bunch of dogs who deserve to be hanged for their role in the bullsh* wars of crusaderdom [only this time it is about the MONEY stupid].
PS: Now that Andy has become disposable and thus discharged; watch out, because our public safety is at risk (I mean he is a certified loony now) – be extra careful not to wear anything on your head otherwise he may mistake you for the Taliban.
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March 24th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Some of these comments are amazing. We’re presented here with a story of a man whose mind and spirit were broken by life experiences. First the death of a friend he felt responsible for, and then in war by doing his job, the lives he feels responsible for. Minds and psyches do break. People break. This guy Andy seemed at the top of his game and if he can break, what does it say for anyone else?
The comments about the foreign policy of the US or the fool who wrote “Mommy look at me” syndrome and “get over it” are seriously lacking in comprehension and compassion. The article is about one man’s life and one man’s war. Stop trying to make it about you.
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March 24th, 2010 at 9:15 am
All of those who post negative comments about the war I have one question I would like each of you to answer. Have you served our country? If no, then why do you bash those men and women who do? Do you not understand that if draft happens you or a loved one may be forced to fight a war regardless if you believe in it or not? We do have freedom in this country because men and women like Andy are willing to protect it. Maybe everyone should think about what America would be like if we didn’t fight for our freedom. How different would the entire world be if not for American soldiers. I have lost 2 loved ones in war. They understood and had great respect for what they were fighting for. Perhaps a field trip for the ignorant is in order so those that oppose the war entirely can live a life without American soldiers protecting them. By the way how do you think the war gets funded. Each and every American forks over some taxes to pay for it. Would the unsupportive minority please sit down and shut up. Parents and children are losing their sons, daughters, mothers, and fathers to protect America. You can at least have enough respect for them to keep your negative opinions to yourself. Oh that’s right…you live in America so those sons, daughters, mothers, and fathers are protecting your very right to be jerks!
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Tami Knox Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
The funny thing about all the individuals making those negative comments, it is because of our war Veterans that they have the very freedom to be able to make them. (comments like these in other countries would land you in jail, if not sentenced to death!) So keep typing those negative “opinions”, and when you are done, be sure to thank a soldier for your ability to do so!
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March 24th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Two thumbs up to this incredibly insightful and well written article. I hope Andy recovers some day. Seems to me, it was very likely he had been showing symptoms of unhealthy paranoia for a long time and there ought to be screening for these types of mental ailments during service.
Other than that, political leaders should do their utmost to prevent war, not call upon it so readily. I mean, even the countries that win loose so much and cause so much suffering to their own people; it’s just so tough to see how young people have to die for any cause. Lives are more valuable than big ideas you know.
I wonder if what made the experience of seeing the girl with a blown-up jaw so tough to Andy was, besides the obvious, that he probably thinks he was in part responsible for unwittingly bestowing upon that girl the burden he himself had to live with as a kid after the accident which left him with the scar on his face. That’s some very ironic tough luck.
I also wonder, what if, instead of deploying troops to the Middle East or elsewhere, the strategy to suffocate anti-american groups world-wide were economic prosperity and education focused on instilling upon the whole of society human rights values. I’m certainly not an expert but, it would be very unlikely that most of society would choose a path of dangerous belligerence if its members had other more profitable and comfortable outlets (I bet most kids who join terrorist groups would rather have a nice car and live in quiet suburbs).
Finally, I’m kinda wondering if Andy is reading these. I bet he does! Hello Andy! *waves* good luck to you my friend.
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March 24th, 2010 at 9:29 am
After reading this touching and poignant story, I can’t even believe the comments degraded so badly right from the start.
I have my own strongly-held political opinions about the war and the government and the world power structure as a whole, but regardless of what anyone’s view of any of that is, this story of the effects of extreme violence on one soldier’s psyche doesn’t have anything to do with it. One could say that if we weren’t fighting war this wouldn’t have happened, etc. But this story is not a polemic about any of the larger issues in the world. It is a highly personal and idiosyncratic portrait of one individual, and it calls for compassion.
To use this as a soapbox from which to add to the cultural noise with thoughtless and cruel rhetoric is of no value to anyone.
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Anand Reply:
March 30th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Hi Bill
Completely agree with you, could not have said it better
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March 24th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Hero. Period. End of story.
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March 24th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Thanks Andy! All of HB is proud of you and wish you well. Hang in there friend you are a great person!
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March 24th, 2010 at 10:11 am
To Andy,
You’re some kinda guy. Your story is the most moving thing I’ve read in years. I was thinking, and wondering if you might try to get some fishing in. It’s calming, and lets you get the bugs out of your head. It’s like watching an old Andy Griffith show about good ole’ Mayberry, USA.
I read this and was jealous of your courage and dedication to any undertaking. I beat smoking, drugs, and acting out to find out that I was enthusiastic about getting my act together to where it was fun to watch myself getting the things that matter back in my life – it’s been pretty amazing. I’ve surpassed who I was, and made milestones in areas that I had not envisioned before. I made plans for some of it, like rebuilding credit, but found that a lot of successes came from just being accepting of creating something from good choice making decisions. My favorite cliche’ is “Do The Next Right Thing”.
I gotta hand it to ya – you’re a survivor who’ll make it work, because you have the right ethic about your self and your family.
I hope I meet you somewhere some day, maybe on a river bank fishing, or on a Harley in West Virginia where I have some family, but if not, keep up the good works, and know I love you, ’cause you’re my new hero.
P. T.
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March 24th, 2010 at 10:45 am
THANK YOU ANDY!!!! May God Bless You and Guide You, Always.
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March 24th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Still the coolest guy in the world! We should have known decades ago you would give the world nothing but your very best! So proud to actually say I know you!
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March 24th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Thanks Andy. Just like your dad, you are a very good and decent man. Know that the thoughts and prayers of an entire community are with you. To all you nay sayers out there. Just say thank you and support those like this young man. They are not given a choice on where or what they do. Our Government says go and they do. Andy the sacrifices you and your family have made, are always appreciated at a place you can always call home, good ole HB.
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March 24th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
I was BLESSED and PRIVILEGED with knowing Andy when I moved to Harbor Beach for my senior year of high school.
My thoughts and prayers go out to Andy and the rest of the Kubik family!
There are so many *HEROES* out there, and Andy is for sure one in my eyes.
I pray that one day he will be able to understand in his own mind the sacrifice he made for his country. I pray that one day, he will be able to enjoy the benefits of American Freedom, a freedom that he ultimately gave up to protect for the rest of us!
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS, AND ALL WHO SERVE TO PROTECT US!
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Dave Korbel Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
I just finished reading the article about Andy. I am one of Andy’s high-school teachers. I remember vividly the day his friend drowned. Reading the story painted a very different picture of the Andy I knew. I remember hearing stories about his “duties”, but there were never any details provided, due to secret classifications. I feel for the young fella and he has moved to the top of my prayer list. I wish you the best, Andy Kubik. Continue to “get better” and please, please: the next time you are in Harbor Beach, come and see me!!!!! God bless you, Andy, and thanks for all you did for us.
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Mike Reisner Reply:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
I too am keeping Andy and his family in my prayers. I greatly appreciate the sacrifice that he and his brothers and sisters in the service have given for not only our nation but for freedom around the world. No matter the reason, I sleep well at night knowing a murdering despot like Hussein and his murdering rapist sons have been dispatched to Hell. I find it very appropriate that Saddam had his neck stretched at the hands of his own people; I can only hope he was buried in his own filth. I also applaud all the home town folks who sign their real name to their comments, unlike some of the brainwashed Radical Liberal cowards who have posted vile lies. I am very proud of our rural community.
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March 24th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Amidst the tears for ANDY KUBIK and his family, came the slap in the face. How can we as Americans, sitting comfortably in our lovely homes, living normal laidback lives, passing the days, forget about the sacrifices of our servicemen and women?
We are responsible, just as responsible as Andy when he was doing his “job” wherever that may have been. We are responsible to pray for and support our servicemen and women while they are at war fighting for our FREEDOM!! As Andy has returned to his country, don’t we owe him the support and kindness, and whatever else he damned well needs, to heal back to the person he once was before?
Go to your local veteran organizations and talk to some of the guys in their 80′s and see what they have to say about fighting wars, that is if they will talk…..Go to some of the funerals for these young soldiers that have lost their lives FIGHTING FOR YOURS!! Watch the veterans that fought in World War II, see the tears from them as they blow their horn, shoot their guns, and have to hand a young widow with a small son her husbands flag. Only because HE FOUGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM!! Andy didn’t HAVE to go into the service, he CHOSE to join others in the fight for freedom and justice.
NOW, we need to fight for his freedom…freedom from the evils of war that have taken from him in abundunce.
PRAY FOR ANDY KUBIK AND HIS FAMILY!!
PEACE ANDY, AND AWESOME ARTICLE MATTHEW TEAGUE, AWARDS TO YOU BOTH ALL AROUND!!
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Truth Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 12:08 am
You left out Truth and Justice.
Without Truth and Justice, Freedom isn’t worth the toilet paper it’s printed on.
We should change our motto: Truth, Justice, “OR” the American way. [CIA already has]
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March 25th, 2010 at 12:14 am
Americans are religious people; but they only Worship MONEY.
Ask the defence contractors, Pisswater/XE, the wallstreet bankers, Goldman (Pus)Sacs, HMO’s (killing to earn profits).
Terrible that soldiers like Andy have to suffer for politicians lack of morals.
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March 25th, 2010 at 3:26 am
… nice story-telling … credit goes to author for sharing
… a rural boy, turned into an hyper-intelligent killing machine, used as a live toy of war industry titans, caused death of numerous innocent human being, killed some ‘terroists’ who can be accused without any proof, taken an amphibian animal to country-chief position, gradually turned into a psycho…and then thrown out by CIA like shits …
… now HERO to those ppls of america who feel themselves as deities of rest of the world and think themselves liscensed to kill anyone for the vague term of ‘freedom’… and ‘a PSYCHO killer’ to that rest of the world…
But, i would like to say to Andy and all the readers, “Judgement day remains !”
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Nicole Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 5:42 am
Nice post.Thanks for expressing the truth.
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Mike Reisner Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Once again the brain washed Radical terrorist loving cowards are praying to their false god of cowardice. Just once I would like to see an original thought that was not recycled from some other Liberal blog. WAA WAA WAH George Bush is bad, terrorists are just good misunderstood people, etc. As I noted before not one of you COWARDS bothered to post your real name when replying……
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Karen Murphy Brown Reply:
March 27th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Dear KM, Nicole, and all others who claim they have the ANSWERS about “judgement day” – Will you PLEASE be sure and let your “higher being” know exactly how you feel, as I am SURE that YOUR opinion will be SO VERY IMPORTANT – especially since you are SO NON-JUDGEMENTAL yourself!!!! So hypocritical…….please – GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!
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KM Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 3:16 am
… as a part of ‘Human being’, I would like to suggest to all my human mates : “If u don’t agree, just wait and see.”
… I have no intention to “re-furbish” any bull-head …
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March 25th, 2010 at 9:21 am
As a fellow Harbor Beach alum and Air Force member, naturally I have to defend Andy on both accounts.
This article is about the person Andy was, what he went through over there, and what he’s going though here. He’s neither a wacko nor a psycho. Whether you’re anti-war, anti-Bush, or anti-Andy – just know, a fellow American sacrificed his family and now his sanity. Unless you walked a mile in his boots – shut it. Yes our Liberty and Freedoms are at stake, you take it for granted until you see the oppression these third-world counties are living in.
As everyone in HB has stated, Andy was a great person and will be great again. If he didn’t feel remorse, people would accuse him of being a monster. Everyone deploys and everyone has a different role which leaves a different effect on them. It’s a shame when it effects men and women this way. He did his role and everyone owes him their support and prayers for a healthy recovery.
I’m not going to bash any one person on your comments because if you don’t understand the sacrifice – you’re not worth it. We volunteer so you don’t have to. When/if they initiate the draft again – you’ll wish there were more people like Andy out there.
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Mike Reisner Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Amen Angie!
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Holly (Watts) Iseler Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Very nice post! Keep praying for Andy.
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Nixon Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:05 am
Draft? F*dat — Just ask Clinton what to do: “O Canada” …
Or ask Bush: “Daddy, set me up with the rough and tough Coast Guard, hee haw”
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CCT Wife Reply:
March 30th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
LOL, Idiot…..Bush was in the Air Guard, not Coast Guard…..HA HA HA HA. get your facts together before you post, but thanks for the laugh
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Dubya Reply:
March 30th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Oh my Goodness!!!! You got him goooooooood, lonely wife!
For the record, there’s not much difference between Air Guard and Coast Gaurd in terms of the posibility of seeing hostile action, or running into enemy fire is there?
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CCT Wife Reply:
March 30th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Actually, yeah there is a difference. Coast Guard is under the Dept of Transportation, Air Guard is under the Dept of Defense. I know many Air Guard Special Ops and they have seen just as much “action” as the active duty guys. I am in the Air Guard and my unit has seen everything that Active Duty has. Our planes took on air fire, dropped paratroopers, pararescue, supplies, you name it. In fact the Army Guard, Air Guard, Navy Reserves…..all have played important parts in the War on Terror, and have seen everything Active Duty has. My husband (Special Ops, Air Guard) and his team mates have received high decorations, including Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, Combat Action Medals…..When the Air Guard is “activated” they fall under Federal and not State, blending them with Active Duty. When we are deployed, we are no different than Active Duty. The main separator between Air Guard and Active Duty is that Air Guard has a dual commitment (State & Federal) where Active Duty only has a Federal commitment. But I digress….. To answer your question simply, Yes, Air Guard has seen just as much hostile fire and has run into just as much enemy fire as the Active Duty Air Force. However The Coast Guard’s missions are different, due to them falling under the Department of Transportation and NOT Department of Defense.
Reagan Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 2:10 am
Here are some FACTS [look up the stats]:
You volunteer because you are poor and uneducated.
You would rather go kill then earn a wage on par with your skils set; ie: serve the rest of us here burger and fries.
Reality sucks doesn’t it?
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joboo Reply:
March 29th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
You my friend are an idiot. Half of spec-ops,special forces, etc have 4 plus year degrees. A majority fluently speak multiple languages. That was seriously one of the most ignorant posts on this thread.
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March 25th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
As an educator at Harbor Beach High School, this places me and others in a unique position of working with the children of a very tight-knit community; the hopes for all of our students that pass through our doors are success and happiness on their travels upon life’s road. While a glimpse into the future of our long departed graduates are too rare, through Matthew Teague’s perspective that offered an in depth look at some of the qualities that served Andy well, even during his formative years these attributes were evident. I remember Andy as a caring, conscientious and industrious person that always gave his best. When Andy attended HBCS, he was a constant—someone that was very dependable, as a result, and all too unfortunate, not a second thought was given—much like the notion that we take for granted, whereas high upon the flag-pole the star spangled flag that flutters and unnoticeably greets each student every day, this symbol of the best aspirations for mankind fortunately continues to fly free, thanks to Andy’s service, and due to the sacrifice of those like him. We should take pause to consider how lucky Americans truly are in today’s world. Not only am I grateful to Mr. Teague for setting the record straight, I am also appreciative for Andy’s service and sacrifice on our behalf—he, and his family, is in my thoughts and prayers—I wish him the best during his recovery.
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Terry Brown Reply:
March 25th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
So right, John. Thanks for the reminders.
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March 25th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Please respect this article and refrain from posting any comments that belittle the service of this man. I grew up in Harbor Beach, and remembered Andy and know his sister. Although internet should allow for freedom of speech, please do not use this article as soap box for a political perspective or campaign for or against the war or the soldiers in it. Speak of your feelings, emotions, or share your thoughts about Andy and his life while treating him and the story with dignity. I thank him for his service and owe him much for all the work he has done. Thank you Andy for your heroism!
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March 25th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Is he still alive?
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Duh Reply:
March 26th, 2010 at 1:56 am
Andy should take advantage of the GI Bill and go back to school to get an edumacation.
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March 26th, 2010 at 8:49 am
Andy, I appreciate your imagination and your service. Keep your head up.
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AirCav1967 Reply:
March 27th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Andy,
I’m an Army vet from an earlier war who also suffers from PTSD.
First, let me say that I consider you a brother-in-arms.
Second, Pay no attention to the comments of those who have never been in a combat situation. They speak from their own political or ideological standpoints. And, as H.L. Mencken said, “Opinions are like assholes: everybody has one and most of them stink.
What those people will never understand is the commitment and sense of loyalty one has for their their comrades, and that we don’t fight for political or philosophical reasons, but for our buddies and the poor civilians who unfortunately, always pay the highest price in war. There may have been “collateral damage, but you need to focus on the lives you saved.
You fought the good fight, my friend. Don’t give up now.
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March 27th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Andy, I went to Harbor Beach High School with you and I guess I really didn’t know you as well as I thought. However, do we ever really know ourselves? I respect that you fought for our country. You should be proud of yourself because you have accomplished more than most people will ever accomplish on this planet. Thank you for protecting our freedom and facing our fears for us. Keep on fighting the demons and enjoy your time with your son. I will pray for you and your family. Matthew, great article! Thanks for bringing Andy’s story to us! He deserves our recognition.
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March 27th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
I graduated w/ his brother Mike. I did not know Andy well since I was much older, just passed him in the halls of our little school. I look back and think that if I would have known what he would sacrifice for me in the future, I would have gone out of my way to talk to him more than I did. But, we were all young then and we did not think past going to the pits for a party that next weekend. Andy, to you, if you are reading this, you have my up most respect and whenever I sing our National Anthem, you will come to my mind…. with those that gave us our freedom… you helped to keep it for us. Your dad was my dentist and I had always admired him for being such a wonderful person… and now, I admire you too. Thank you and God Bless you Andy.
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Jeff Weber Reply:
March 28th, 2010 at 9:19 am
I just want to personally thank you Andy. I want you and your family to know that my family and I are praying for you. Hang in there and listen to all the helpful words from your friends. I am proud to have grown up in Harbor Beach and I am proud of you and all who have sacrificed for my freedom. May God bless you!
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March 30th, 2010 at 7:02 am
Andy’s story is very moving for a number of reasons, the least of which is the fact that no doubt many serviceman & women throughout the world deal with the effects of PTSD. This article goes a long way to shedding light on this condition.
What I find disturbing are the kind of comments made by people who find it appropriate to pass judgement on a man they have never met, on a man who was doing a job, on a man who put his life on the line for people he has never met. Regardless of one’s personal view of the legitimacy of US (and other) forces being in Afghanistan, Iraq etc etc, this man, Andy, did not determine the course of action his country chose, he simply did what he felt was right, and that was serving his country.
Every US citizen should take a moment, stop and think about the sacrifices those like Andy make for their country, even if you don’t agree with the politics.
Good luck, Andy.
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March 31st, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Peewee you bleeping jerk, think before you type. Is this the forum for finger-pointing and blaming bush?
A man followed his principles and excelled at his duty and broke himself against a world he cannot control, and this is all you have to say for him? The US might have the smartest army in the world but it is still made up of thinking, feeling humans. If I had to blame anyone in this tragedy it would be the military industrial complex for testing out products on men like Andy and ‘Y’ (software error on the bleeping GPS, GOD!!). Wars should be like surgery: performed only if unavoidable and as cleanly as possible, but that won’t get the bills paid would it?
Grow up Peewee, you are just another hater who wants to hurt people…
My sympathies and good wishes for Andy. Sh*t happens dude, do your duty, pay the price if possible and move on…
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April 1st, 2010 at 9:24 pm
It’s a shame that children are allowed to post messages in the grownups section, and it’s also a shame that many of you waste your time replying to them.
Ya, I think Andy is a true American hero, as much as all those that came before him that earned the title hero. Anyone that volunteers to serve their country, whether in the armed forces or public service such as the police and firefighters, frankly should be held in high regard. I won’t argue the negative opinions previously posted, because actually to some degree that is what our armed forces fight for, our individual freedoms. It’s a shame that the negative posts are from people that have never met Andy and know no more about him than the little glimpse the article provides. I too only know of Andy through the article, but I do know other service members, and that’s really all I need to know. In the end, everyone in the armed forces is a volunteer. I guess it’s a bit like a firefighter walking into a fire when most sane people would run from it. Again, that’s really all I need to know. And with that, the volunteers have my utmost respect. Hang in there Andy.
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FDNY 217 Reply:
April 23rd, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Andy is you read this please know that FDNY is behind you. Thank you for all you do for us. Rescue 1 second to none. Tommy Gavin
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April 2nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm
I’ve worked thru the OGA since 10/07 in AfPak theater. PTSD is real and No One is immune. It happens to the best, obviously! I’m sitting on the verge of being roped back into a 90 day Joy Ride to the ME. Men like Kubik should be allowed to recover under private DoD care, not public humiliation and rants from people who would turn & run in the face of what the man has been through. It’s good in a way that the public knows what went on, but it’s part of war and Yes, Kubik is a warrior, still today. I’ve had mild PTSD or better yet “combat stress” as the govt likes to term it. Point is, the USAFSOCs, SEALs, USSFs and Deltas that Ive worked with are all human beings who put themselves out there, often in 2s or 3s, maybe even ALONE for days at a time to gather intel and defeat our enemies. So that those of you who remind everyone in this forum that they volunteered to do so. Hell yes they did. Go take the challenge yourself, they are giving waivers for just about anyone these days. Oh yeah, it will take you 18-24 months of intense SOPs to make it to your 1st gig, though. Alot longer than typing an Email… Get real and have some compassion for those who sacrifice for the Stars & Bars… In the meantime, I’m about to exact some damage on those who think we are infidels, without remorse… What am I to you?… The Frontline.
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USAF - USN Civ Contractor Reply:
April 2nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
P.S.
Before you assume I’m XE/Blackwater, I will provide my experience: Age 38
10/3/93-Mogadishu, Somalia 2/75th Ranger/Medic
1995-Bosnia, USSF
1997-Kosovo, USSF
1998-US Embassy Bombings, SOD-D
2000-Yemen, SOD-D
9/11/01-2007-Afghanistan, SOC
10/07-10/09, OGA
6 month Recall / 4/1 – OGA… Back Again!
To those who have served… ‘Fratres Usque Ad Aram Fideles’…
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USAF - USN Civ Contractor Reply:
April 4th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Successful counter ops ran against enemy combatants this AM. Yesterday already for those of us over here in paradise… Some of the folks in this forum should come visit sometime. Ya bet. To the Mensa member who said US troops were uneducated volunteers, I scored a 142 on USSF IQ test, have 4 yr degrees in History, Biology and a Minor in Organic Chemistry. I’m deficient, I know… No collateral damage in ops ran. Problem is picking out the enemy, not as easy as this forum. Nothing like an early morning riding into the sunrise with a Chinook, Blackhawk, Pavehawk & Little Bird… Listening to “Bad Company” til the green light. Kinda like the scene out of … Wait, that’s what it felt like when I saw the 2nd plane hit the Twin Towers… Don’t worry all you objectors, we still fight for your 1st Amendment Rights… Just don’t think you will ever Take Away My 2nd Amendment Rights… We sent some jihadists to paradise on the day Christ arose… How fitting! Andy, take your time bro! You are in our hearts & minds. God Bless You!
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FDNY 217 Reply:
April 23rd, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Thank you for your service…FDNY in the towers on 091101…Rescue 1 Second to None…343 always in our prayers. FDNY will always be there for you and guys like Andy..
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FDNY 217 Reply:
April 23rd, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Some of these readers are welcome to join FDNY rescue 1 on a hot job with kids in a building. Thank you again for making a difference and avenging our brothers
FDNY 217 Reply:
April 23rd, 2010 at 7:35 pm
they were just firefighters who would never leave a civilian or a brother behind. You go we go….They wonder why we drink
April 5th, 2010 at 10:18 am
God bless Andy Kubik……….skyman
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April 7th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
As a wife of a soldier who has done three tours in Iraq and has PTSD this article was an eye opener for me. Also, I live in the neighborhood next to where Andy grew up, the bridge they talk about in the article is in my backyard! It is a very touching story and I know everyone in good old HB has been buzzing about it. We all feel a little closer to Andy because of it. We are all very proud of the job that he has done as well as all the others who have fought for our county.
Thank you Andy!
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April 7th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
What a wonderful yet very sad article Matthew. I personally know Andy like many other HB people that have posted here and I want to let Andy know how very proud I am of him and how grateful I am for all the personal sacrifies he has made for his country. Andy if you read this I want to pat you on the back, shake your hand and give you a big hug! I think to often our servicemen and women are forgotten when they return home and our government needs to become more aware of the inner turmoil that continues their entire life. My own son-in-law was deployed to Iraq 3 times and suffers with PTSD. I don’t think the average person can begin to understand the hell our soldiers have been through unless you walk in their shoes.
TO ALL OF OUR SEVICEMEN AND WOMEN (VETERANS OR NOW SERVING) A GREAT BIG THANK YOU FOR DEFENDING OUR GREAT NATION!
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April 8th, 2010 at 2:02 am
A close friend of mine was in the airforce for four years. He said he couldnt reenlist,because it broke his heart working on a big plane that continually hauled pallets of US currency over to the middle east and literally exchange them on the tarmac for caskets containing our fallen soldiers.Although His wounds arent as severe as Andys’ I see a change in my friend.
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April 8th, 2010 at 2:48 am
a wise man once said “Dissent is the greatest form of Patriotism” Its sad sad how many servicepeople are lied to about free healthcare for life…
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April 10th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
I wanted to reply with a post I really cant say anymore then has already been said.Accept this I want to Thank all of our armed forces for what they do God Bless you for the sacrifices you make. I hope and pray that Andy will one day be able to live normal after such an ordeal to protect the rights of freedom that so many ppl like peewee take forgranted.And for Peewee I pray for you as you truly need Gods help in your thinking process.If it were not for ppl like Andy we would not be a free nation to speak and live as we please you should stop and thank a Vet for your freedom as freedom is not free it has been earned with the blood of many men and women in many battles and wars. As a Vet we never forget the price that is paid for freedom. Pv2 US Army Vet
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April 13th, 2010 at 3:14 am
“Some say freedom is free, but I tend to disagree, some say freedom is won, and through the barrel of a gun…oh lord oh lord won’t somebody let me free”……
an old cadence that always touched me when sung during drill….and as for Andy stay strong, stay alive, do not let into to the evils around you and inside your own mind….
And for people like peewee…..you never experienced what it means to be a fellow brother/sister in arms, you will never understand, and you have no reason to judge another man’s actins or reasons for why he put on the uniform, especially when that man served his country well, with honor, and distinction….
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April 15th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Say what you will about Bush, about the government, about liberals and conservatives, but before mounting your imaginary higher ground, consider what it is a soldier does.
Just as a hammer can not choose which nail it will strike, neither can a soldier disobey his orders. If it was acceptable for soldiers to disobey orders, consider how many military coups may have happened in U.S. history. The Bill of Rights, the Constitution, none of them would be directly controlled by the citizens, because they may ultimately have been dictated by a general who usurped power by using soldiers who thought for themselves and did not follow their commander and chief. If you have a problem with the leadership, that is one thing, but to criticize a soldier for doing their job, that is something else.
This world is not black and white, and perhaps no one knows that better than a special operations soldier. It is easy to sit back in the comfort of our homes while enjoying all of the comforts of modern life and adhere to a strict set of ideals, abhorring the use of force, killing, or violence of any kind. But this is unrealistic. The world is messy, it is filled with people who have different ideologies, religions, and upbringings, and to assume that the soldier is the cause of the evil is to misunderstand the nature of violence entirely.
Jesus said in the book of Matthew, “those who live by the sword, die by the sword.”
The soldier does not wield the sword, he/she IS the sword.
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April 16th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
I’ve known of Andy for many years in the Air Force. I heard his name come up many times as a Tactical Air Controller (his job prior to cross training into CCT) and every time it was a POSITIVE example. In later years, I became a First Sergeant, and Andy was one of my troops…
Before you belittle the man, get to know him.
Think of a really SMART guy you grew up with. Not a genius, but just a guy that was really talented, and was able to get things done with pure talent and intellect… Someone that could think outside the box, and come up with a solution that others couldn’t… THAT IS ANDY
Now think of a talented athlete that you grew up with. Not the super Jock who picked on those weaker than him, but the guy that said “Hi” to everyone in the halls at school, and probably stood up for those weaker kids, when the super jocks would pick on them… THAT IS ANDY
Now think of a guy that everyone could rely on to do “the right thing”. Not a guy who never made a mistake, but a guy with true integrity, who would hand you your wallet if you dropped it in the street, even if nobody was watching… THAT IS ANDY
Next, Think of someone who truly loves his family. It could be YOU PeeWee (because you probably still live in your mom’s basement) Someone who felt a stronger than normal pain when he had to leave that family to do what he was called upon to do… THAT IS ANDY
Andy Kubic may have joined the Air Force simply for a job after high school, but after securing a good job, and performing admirably in that job, he volunteered for one of the most difficult (physically and mentally) jobs in the entire Air Force (and before you start with the “Chair Force” or “Air Farce” jokes, google ParaRescue or Combat Control training, and see how challenging it really is) so he could have a more direct impact on the security of our nation.
Andy was “lucky” in his career to be in the right places at the right times to make a huge impact when the job called for a stand up guy… and Andy stood up, and came away with the win. (I can think of one F-16 pilot who will never forget Andy).
I don’t think Andy went to Afghanistan to “Protect America” from Al-Q or the Taliban… I think he went there to protect his brothers in arms from anybody that would threaten them… I think Andy saw himself “Protecting” the people of Afghanistan from the Taliban, but when the inevitable “collateral damage” stared him in the face, Andy couldn’t handle it. Many of us have been in that same situation, but luckily, our hearts are harder than Andy’s, and we have dealt with it in our own way.
Now, Think of a Warrior… I mean a real, no shit, born and bred American Warfighter, who possessed all the talents and skills that this country can train into a human body. All the best equipment that money can buy, combined with a strong will that could make him put himself in harms way to protect others, with little thought of his own safety.
A warrior that is unbeatable in a face to face conflict! That “Rough man standing ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm” (Orwell)… That is Andy
YOU may not have sent him to war, but WE as a nation did… And like a great warrior, Andy went.
I don’t know why Andy was so effected by his experiences, whereas many can just move on, and chalk it up to fate… I guess it just goes to show that he is more human than most of us.
But I thank God for Andy Kubic, and the FEW men like him! They are the 2% of the population the rest of us can rely on to get the job done, no matter how hard the job is!
I just wish we could take care of them, and heal their pains before they end up suffering alone!
Andy may not be a Hero to all – But he is a good man, that did Heroic things to keep his fellow warfighters alive.
So before you start condemning Andy, stop and think for a second…
Because if you’re lucky; you all know somebody like Andy – They just haven’t been to hell yet.
HK
23STS/CCF (Ret)
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April 18th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Yo, peewee — “If you like your freedom, thank a Veteran” is not a slogan on a bumper sticker. Its a fact! I know you have to pick on men like Andy because you feel inferior but, seriously, grow up! My heart goes out to Andy and all who serve(d). My dad served in WWII. He killed many, he hated it but he did it to protect his men and us. I’ve seen my dad cry one time and it wasn’t when he finally told me, 30 years later, what happened to him. It was when he told me about a Vietnam Vet he saw on the street get yelled at and spit on by a man who served in WWII also. My dad told me, when you see a vet, any age, any war, thank him. That was in 1974 when I was 14. From that moment on, even though my friends would laugh at me for doing it, I would go up to every Vet I saw, introduce myself and say “thank you”. You should too!
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April 21st, 2010 at 11:02 pm
I met Andy a few years ago after a training mission with my son-inlaw,we spent the evening together eating Arby’s for dinner. I want to thank you for being “first there” for being you! You and all of your fellow controllers are my hero’s.
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April 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
I liked to read the part about him pulling out pictures of the time in Afghanistan. Men who go to war carry the emotions that come along for a very long period of time and sometimes it is best to just try to lead them away from their memories.
How many Vietnam Veterans have you seen asking for Dollar bills? It is really a sad situation for them.
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April 27th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
I say Peewee is a M.O.R.O.N !!! You have no idea what it takes to keep this country free. You should pray for Andy and the men and women who are keeping this country free at this very moment, that they not face the demons that Andy has. It will happen, but it would be nice for at least one more person to know they are human and fight for those who can’t fight for themselves….like YOU! Be that one more person and pray for their safety and sanity when they get home.
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April 29th, 2010 at 8:23 am
money, hr, peewee, kal,
its a bit sad that you react to a disappointing/sad situation in such a negative manner. it really sucks that any war goes on at all, if you know anything about history it is the way of man kind. whether or not i believe in our military fighting in the mid-east doesnt matter because i believe in THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA, one nation under God!
Andy signed up to be a CCT, their motto is “First There”. Hurricane Katrina, guess who was there first helping to bring order to the city and establish communication and transportation for the wounded/sick and get supplies to the city. More recently in Haiti, guess who was there first, yep the CCT’s. They arrived and re-opened the airport where all supplies originated before our military and other organizations could get any boats down there, obviously the airport carries people to and from haiti as well. Thanks to the CCT for being “First There” and establishing the rebuilding processes.
Thanks to Andy and all of the CCT for kicking a$$ on whatever their mission/assignment may be! They didnt sign up to kill people, they signed up to serve the great and mighty United States of America and perform their job to the best of their god given ability and the incredible training that they have received. It’s just too bad there has to be a sad ending.
Stay with it Andy, we are behind you as a country regardless of what a few idiots have to say.
Also, thanks to all of you FDNY, NYPD, and any other servicemen and women. USA! USA! USA!
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April 30th, 2010 at 12:27 am
This sounds like a tragic story, but I am sure people like this come back stronger in life. It just makes them very tough mentally.
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July 6th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
OMG!!! Andy was one of my troops back when I was the First Sergeant at the 23STS at Hurlburt Field, Florida back in the 90′s. How can one contact him? I need to talk to him…I’ve been retired ten years now and was looking at a picture of him yesterday from back when he received his Silver Star for action in Afghanistan. I had no idea this happened to him. What about his wife who was also military? OMG, OMG, OMG.
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August 1st, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Excellence is what Andy achieved. Defiance is what he has received for the most part.
Andy, don’t fear your past missions. Focus on the one at hand… Vector your heart on healing. Range your body into control, you can! Deploy your innermost resolve. Guide your journey with an Eagle’s vision. Complete Your Mission.
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November 11th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Had an opportunity to work with Andy and some of his teammates in Alaska back around 1999-2000 time frame. I remember Andy well, and we still share a lot of the same friends. Andy, get well soon my brother, and thank you for everything you’ve done.
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November 23rd, 2010 at 7:33 am
I understand where PeeWee is coming from….because we are only as safe as the govt lets us be. They control where our forces go and their supplies and give them their orders. They are ordered to kill no?! I think PeeWee just doesn’t understand that some everyones motives and outlooks on Govt are different..and some peope are just warriors. They have talents beyond what he/she could ever comprehend Yes they are valiant and have honor and ..and in my opinion have one of the sweetest jobs of all time!!
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May 22nd, 2011 at 6:40 am
I can feel a movie coming on!!
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June 8th, 2011 at 11:50 am
War made so much damage =/ Great post btw.
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January 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Andy was a war hero without a doubt, but he is also a man. What pee wee is not smart enough to figure out is that Andy did not start the war. So pee wee let me help you, your beef is with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and those jackasses. Andy also obviously felt remorse over some of the things he HAD to do as a soldier which makes him even more of a hero in my book. So pee wee you are way out of line when it comes to your assesment of Andy, and our troops. Our problem in Amerioa is that we have the best, most disciplined, most caring, brave, and efficient forces in the world, by far, bar none. The problem in this is that our LEADERS use this awesome force, knowing it’s capabilty, to recklessly wage war on countries who may or may not be involved in terrorism. Here is where pee wee is correct in that we had the momentum to fight the war on terror, after 911( and thanks to our first responder hero’s there also) but blew it by attacking Iraq, a country with no terrorists. Pee wee is blind when he blames Andy, but has a point that we did not want Bush to go into Iraq. But enough about Pee Wee what is more disturbing is the attack on Liberals. First off there are no such thing as Liberals anymore, it is just a word to attack “smart” people, by the Republican right to discredit a certain segment of the population. We are progressives whose main goal is upholding the Constitution. Old school values and new school implementation. Progressives understood that we were bieng lied to and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and even if there were that was a different war. We wanted Bin Laden, and Al Qaeda, not Saddam, who was so paranoid that he wiped out Al Qaeda in Iraq. If you cannot understand that progressives dont want to put our troops in harms way unless it is absolutely necessary, and will achieve the best results, then I am sorry for my position, and for offending you. We appreciate the service of every single person helps in our effort to promote peace and Democracy. Since we do value our service people, we want to make sure that everything they have sacrificed was not in vain, and that people like Andy don’t fall through the cracks. Progressives like myself will also fight to keep funding our Defense Budget, to create a strong peacetime force, and help the our greatest asset, as they return home from a grueling ten year conflict. This is not about Liberals this is about people helping those who have helped us. So thanks Andy, and everyone who sacrificed, we are here for you, and like the firefighters and police have said on this post, we will NEVER forget!
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